NASA Takes Aim at Moon with Double Sledgehammer - Page 2

dd74 · 10-07-2009, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by trekkor

It would much easier to just load the cash onto a pallet and burn it.

Very quick, not much planning involved, with the same outcome...

KT

I think the tinfoil hat you're wearing is made of the same material as what was on the ass-end of the Apollo lander -- just so you know.

So something has come out of space exploration, if at least for your wardrobe, KT.

Pazuzu · 10-07-2009, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by sammyg2

Yes. Abolutely. I want to know what YOUR definition of useable is in this context.

I want to understand how you could possibly think that some traces of ice crystals that would cost us a minimum of $1 million per gallon to turn into clean water (my guestimate, could cost much more than that) could possibly be considered useable.
I want to know how you can rationalize that.

Oh, I think I get it. You're talking about OPM, OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY!
I see how it is. Apparently other peoples money has no value to you whatsoever.

"usable" means 10^12 grams or more of pure frozen water (at least some of which is even heavy water), neatly placed together in a sea, where there is no chance of it ever leaving without our knowing. "unusable" is water that is trapped within porous rocks, requiring heating and outgassing to retrieve. There is not "trace" amounts of ice crystals, you need to find better sources for your info.

sammyg2 · 10-07-2009, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Pazuzu

Why stop at NASA? you are aware that lots of other people are stealing your money via taxes, right? Why not get rid of all of them? Wipe the whole slate clean!! Oh...until you learn about all of the federally funded science that actually helps you daily, possibly saves the life of you or someone you know, we should decide to keep THOSE funds, right?

Let's hear about it, but try and stay on the subject which is NASA.

Tell us all about all the ways our lives have been improved by NASA. Tell us what we the taxpayers have gotten back in return for our $440,000,000,000. (Quick, better do a google search to try and back up your claim).
let's see: there's tang, freeze-dried food, ..... those foam mattresses, ......
There's got to be more.

Personal computers? Nope, not from NASA. Microchips? Nope, not from NASA.
Private enterprise.

Hmmmmm......
Maybe we got some magic mars dust that cures everything. Nope? Darn, that would have been nice.

dd74 · 10-07-2009, 09:31 AM

NASA gets a minuscule of federal funding as it is. Subsidies and kickbacks toward Sammy's line of work probably overshadow NASA's funding by at least a tens to a hundred billion.

Whatever...

Sir Richard Branson, the Russians, Japanese and Chinese will be far ahead of us in a few years' time, but at least some form of humanity will be up there, learning what this country has dropped the ball on.

sammyg2 · 10-07-2009, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Pazuzu

"usable" means 10^12 grams or more of pure frozen water (at least some of which is even heavy water), neatly placed together in a sea, where there is no chance of it ever leaving without our knowing. "unusable" is water that is trapped within porous rocks, requiring heating and outgassing to retrieve. There is not "trace" amounts of ice crystals, you need to find better sources for your info.

Very weak. Why did you completely ignore the crux of the argument, the cost to recover and develop? why did you try to gloss over that?
Why did you fail to explain how you can possibly think that water is useable when it is almost 240,000 miles away in space sitting on a huge pile of dust and rock and the only way for us to use it would be to go there, extract it, and bring it back at a cost so high it would even make Obama cringe?
Why?
BTW using your own description of 10 to the 12th power grams of water on the moon would fill an olympic size swimming pool up about one third of the way.
saying that there isn't even enough water on the moon to fill an olympic sized swimming pool up half way is a TRACE of water crystals. (using your numbers)
My sources are fine. Check yours, and do the math.

Heel n Toe · 10-07-2009, 10:23 AM

sammyg2 · 10-07-2009, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by dd74

NASA gets a minuscule of federal funding as it is. Subsidies and kickbacks toward Sammy's line of work probably overshadow NASA's funding by at least a tens to a hundred billion.

Whatever...

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OH BS. Total BS.
Saying that there are huge government subsidies for oil refineries is deceptive, untrue, and borders on a flat out bold faced lie. I challenge you to provide any proof that what you just posted isn't total BS. You just made that drap up.

Oil refining is one of the most heavily taxed, heavily regulated, heavily burdened industries in this country.

At one time the US government provided a subsidy for small independent refiners (under 50,000 bbls/day) but that went away about 26 years ago.
At that time, all the government did was to enter into agreements to sell those little refineries crude oil at 10% under the going rate which at that time meant about a 2 cents per gallon discount.
That was about the same time small independent refineries started dropping like flies, closing down one after another.
Most of them are gone now.

For every penny an oil refinery makes, the government taxes 20. Not much of a subsidy, is it?

Be careful with making statements about an industry you don't know anything about, espectially when others do.

dd74 · 10-07-2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by sammyg2

OH BS. Total BS.
Saying that there are huge government subsidies for oil refineries is deceptive, untrue, and borders on a flat out bold faced lie. I challenge you to provide any proof that what you just posted isn't total BS. You just made that drap up.

Oil refining is one of the most heavily taxed, heavily regulated, heavily burdened industries in this country.

At one time the US government provided a subsidy for small independent refiners (under 50,000 bbls/day) but that went away about 26 years ago.
At that time, all the government did was to enter into agreements to sell those little refineries crude oil at 10% under the going rate which at that time meant about a 2 cents per gallon discount.
That was about the same time small independent refineries started dropping like flies, closing down one after another.
Most of them are gone now.

For every penny an oil refinery makes, the government taxes 20. Not much of a subsidy, is it?

Be careful with making statements about an industry you don't know anything about, espectially when others do.

LOL! I knew that'd get your goat.

And even if I could prove it (let's just leave a war with Iraq as a way to make sure U.S. oil is covered for decades to come), my ad hominem is as well placed as yours regarding NASA being a waste of tax dollars.

Face it, Sam; NASA doesn't play in your yard. They're about exploration and technology, you're about sucking the liquid soul out of dinosaurs.

Heel n Toe · 10-07-2009, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by dd74

NASA ::: snip ::: They're about exploration and technology, you're about sucking the liquid soul out of dinosaurs.

That's one of the dumbest things I've ever seen "spoken" here.

And that's saying a lot.

dd74 · 10-07-2009, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Heel n Toe

That's one of the dumbest things I've ever seen "spoken" here.

And that's saying a lot.

Prove that it isn't true. Because it is.

What's new about the internally combustible engine?

Think about it -- through your head -- not your ass, ass-wipe.

Pazuzu · 10-07-2009, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by sammyg2

Why did you fail to explain how you can possibly think that water is useable when it is almost 240,000 miles away in space sitting on a huge pile of dust and rock and the only way for us to use it would be to go there, extract it, and bring it back at a cost so high it would even make Obama cringe?
Why?.

I didn't fail to explain that at all. There's no reason to explain something that is false. Did you get that from some blog? It's almost cute, how you think that we are going to go to the Moon to get some drinking water.

Pazuzu · 10-07-2009, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by sammyg2

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Be careful with making statements about an industry you don't know anything about, espectially when others do.

Watch out! Irony dripping in here, there might be puddles, watch your step!

dd74 · 10-07-2009, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Heel n Toe

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Exactly. Crickets. You never could back your s h i t up around here...

Heel n Toe · 10-07-2009, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by dd74

Prove that it isn't true. Because it is.

What's new about the internally combustible engine?

Think about it --

No, you think about what you said.

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Originally Posted by dd74

... sucking the liquid soul out of dinosaurs.

Where did you get that?

Liquid soul? Out of dinosaurs?

Sounds like some kind of bizarre retro PETA slogan.

Really... where did you get it? Surely it isn't original to the duckbrain.

dd74 · 10-07-2009, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by pazuzu

watch out! Irony dripping in here, there might be puddles, watch your step!

+1.

Heel n Toe · 10-07-2009, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by dd74

Exactly. Crickets. You never could back your s h i t up around here...

There's a time limit on responding to your posts now?

Attention Deficit Disorder, maybe?

Liquid soul out of dinosaurs... that takes the cake.

For today, anyway.

dd74 · 10-07-2009, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Heel n Toe

No, you think about what you said.

Where did you get that?

Liquid soul? Out of dinosaurs?

Sounds like some kind of bizarre retro PETA slogan.

Really... where did you get it? Surely it isn't original to the duckbrain.

That's all you have, huh? Well, I refrain to my prior post of you never being able to back yourself up. You're a joke. Always have been, IMO.

Heel n Toe · 10-07-2009, 11:02 AM

Where did you get it?

Can you answer a simple question?

dd74 · 10-07-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Heel n Toe

There's a time limit on responding to your posts now?

Attention Deficit Disorder, maybe?

Liquid soul out of dinosaurs... that takes the cake.

For today, anyway.

Still no answer, right? Tsk, tsk, What's the R stand for behind your name? "remedial, repetitive, reformed." LOL!

You are entertaining, but now it's time to eat lunch. Toodles!

How's the crow, btw?

dd74 · 10-07-2009, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Heel n Toe

Where did you get it?

Can you answer a simple question?

It's an original, based on fact. Glad I could school you today, Country.