So long, Brett...
 

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The game won't be the same...:(
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That's it. I'm done with football.

I wonder how Madden is taking it.

Yeah, the NFL lost who is not only the best QB of all time but probably the greatest player of all time based on individual accomplishments.

No Joe, but a great QB.

Yeah, Montana did play on some great teams that allowed him to win almost as many Super Bowl rings as Charles Haley.

But when it comes to individual stats, Joe could not carry Brett's jock strap. And that includes when Joe went to KC and we found out how average he could be and what happens when Joe played on an average team.

Wonder if they'll find a decent QB quicker than the last time. That dry spell was 20 years wasn't it? Here's to hoping that tradition continues.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/suppo...leys/pint1.gif

Well, that dry spell was pretty bad but many people forget that they did have a very good QB at one point with Lynn Dickey for a while and he actually had Montana like stats for a couple of years!

As of the 2007 season, Montana and Bradshaw are the starting quarterbacks with the most Super Bowl victories at 4, next are Troy Aikman and Tom Brady with three each.
Joe holds the second highest passing record in a single season, the most consecutive games with 300 or more passing yards, most Super Bowl touchdowns, and most completed passes in Super Ball History. He also holds the second highest career pass completion record, the third highest number of seasons with 3000+ passes, and the third lowest interception record.

If there's any jock strap carrying to be done, hey Brett!

I realize that you are comprehension challenged but Super Bowl wins are team accomplishments and we are talking about individual statistics. Or did the lil gebil fall off the track while you were laying down?

Long time before the next season... enough time for him to change his mind or, heaven forbid, sign onto a different team. Nothing wrong with going out on a good run and enjoying life/retirement with good health, but I think he has a few good/great years left.

mucho tired of the Montana debate forum... maybe it needs its own entire board.

How about #1 qb for appearing to enjoy the game?
He may not have been as "coachable" as some, but would be hard not to like watching him play.
Jim

I know you're not too advanced when it comes to this stuff, so I'll start you off at the beginning. This is a football!
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What's a gebil?

It's a Mule with the "r" missing.;)

not only one of the great QB's but a down to earth guy who admitted his flaws and corrected them as well as to go beyond what was expect by the public.

When Brett makes it into the HOF, we'll see what they say about him. Here's Joe's write up from the NFL HOF.

Joe Montana, selected by the San Francisco 49ers in the third round of the 1979 National Football League Draft, had a stellar career with the 49ers and Kansas City Chiefs. A master of late-game comebacks, Montana directed his teams to 31 fourth quarter come-from-behind wins during his illustrious career, including a 92-yard drive in the closing seconds of Super Bowl XXIII.

His uncanny ability to bring a team back from apparent defeat was so common that it simply became referred to as “Montana Magic.” A true student of the game, Montana won the NFL’s passing title in both 1987 and 1989. He topped the NFC in passing five times (1981, 1984, 1985, 1987, and 1989).

Thirty-nine times he passed for more than 300 yards in a game, including seven times in which he surpassed 400 yards. His six 300-yard passing performances in the post-season are an NFL record. He also owns the career playoff record for attempts, completions, touchdowns, and yards gained passing.

Eleven times the New Eagle, Pennsylvania native led his team to the playoffs. Along the way, he captured nine divisional championships and victories in Super Bowls XVI, XIX, XXIII, and XXIV. His outstanding play in Super Bowls XVI, XIX, and XXIV earned him Most Valuable Player honors in each game.

Named All-NFL three times and All-NFC on five occasions, Montana was voted to the Pro Bowl eight times, which was a league record for a quarterback at the time. In 1992, after missing 31 consecutive games due to an injury to his throwing arm, Montana made a dramatic comeback. In the second half of the regular season finale, a Monday Night Football offering vs. the Detroit Lions, Montana performed his magic of old, completing 15 of 21 passes for 126 yards and two touchdowns as the 49ers defeated the Lions 24-6.

In 1994 Montana became just the fifth quarterback to pass for more than 40,000 yards in a career. At the time of his retirement, he ranked fourth in career passing yardage (40,551 yards), attempts (5,391), and passing touchdowns (273). His 3,409 completions ranked third all-time, and his career passer rating of 92.3 was second all-time.

Wow, those are really good individual statistics. So let's do a comparison:

Most career passing touchdowns: Brett--442. Joe--273
Most career passing yards: Brett--61,655. Joe--40551
Most career pass completions: Brett--5,377 Joe--3409

Joe also had one great season (1987) where he had 31 TD's.
Brett had 30 or more 8 (EIGHT) times.

Actually, if you just took the number of how far Brett is ahead of Joe in each category...it would be a very good career for most QB's!

Oh yeah, Favre also holds the record for consecutive starts by a quarterback with 275 so he must have been a tad tougher than Joe.

Must have been some good pain killers! ;):D





It just had to be said :D:D

Favre holds most interceptions too.
(Just being honest...;))

I'm very happy to have been able to enjoy Favre's excellence (and his brain farts) over the past 16 years. Hopefully, his retirement will be everything he and his family hope it will be. :)

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Most career Int's too.

I like the heck out of Favre so not throwing salt, just saying.

Is it possible that the individual accomplishments that you are so focused on, are not the measure of the quarterback? Quarterbacks are looked upon as the leaders of their teams and have those intangibles that allow they & their teams to win. Are you suggesting that Favre never had a good team? The point is that he had many good teams, but did not create as many wins (or superbowl successes) in the same time as Montana. Favre was capable of throwing for 400/gm, but he also could throw incompletions or interceptions at the wrong time too.

Back to the original title. I'm glad he's gone. Rodgers sat on the sideline too long. He may even be an upgrade if he can pass with touch and smarts rather than just be a throwing arm. (Flame suit on)

Peter, I'm hoping Rodgers is the guy we need him to be. We'll see how he plays this Fall.

Nothing to flame about. Favre's record speaks for itself. You must not realize that Favre is the all-time leader in NFL wins and far ahead of Montana in that stat also.

If you actually think that Favre had the same type of players around him that Bradshaw and Montana did...then you certainly have that right to incorrect. ;)

Just imagine what #4 would have done with Jerry Rice, Roger Craig, John Taylor, Freddy Solomon, Russ Francis, and Dwight Clark catching his tosses. Or with players such as Lynn Swann, Rocky Blier, John Stallwroth, and Franco Harris all together for a season on his team.

Joe's stats vs Brett's stats...who cares :)? Both were the epitome of greatness and the NFL won't be the same next year...

What he said. Brett was fun to watch (sometimes) -- but he was no Joe.

I didn't recall that Favre won only one championship. That's not real impressive for such a long career.

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On that you are correct. Brett never lost a playoff game by 46 points or had two straight playoff games where he did not even score a TD as did Joe. ;)

Seriously, this might have been a good time for Brett to bail out. He really seemed uncomfortable during the final game at Soldier Field and at the NFC Championship game. When the weather starts to bother him..................

And Rodgers has paid his dues. He seems like a good kid and if he can avoid injury he might be the real deal. Hope springs eternal!

But it sure is gonna be different around here with anyone but #4 under center.

Favre wasn't even in the top 5 all time QBs but he was tough as nails and was probably the most creative/fearless QB to ever hold a long career.

Let's see, Favre in the league for about 5 more years than Montana? He should have more wins and that "streak" otherwise he's even worse than you'd like to believe. Some news, Jerry Rice and John Taylor were not on the first two 49er SB teams. Roger Craig was not on the first SB team. Russ Francis only played the '84 SB. Dwight Clark was gone by the 3rd SB. Just to clarify....

And the flame suit was about being glad that Favre is gone. He was a gunslinger (much like Kenny Stabler), not a consistent winner when it counted.

What is the longest starting streak that Montana ever had? Not even close to Favre.

As for not being "consistent"...Farve had one losing season in 16 years and he has the most wins of any QB in NFL history. What is your definition of "consistent?"

Just for the record.

4 SB wins in 10 years. Just for the record. Would probably have gotten another without the Roger Craig fumble (remember you thought he helped Montana only win) in the Giants playoff game '90-91. That would have been three SB's in a row and a fifth for Joe Cool.

And just for the record. Ronnie Lott was much more important to the 49ers than any of the offensive guys you mentioned.

I totally agree with you. Include Lott and in fact that entire defensive backfield (the only one ever to have the whole bunch voted to the Pro-Bowl) and all the rest of those players who allowed Joe to play on those winning teams. You are making my point. Thanx!

But as for individual stats, he is not even close to Favre.

You're missing the point. Any of those offensive players were interchangeable and made better by Montana. None of them were there as long as Montana was, and he still won. Favre has had reasonable teammates - including defensively, but did not win it all though he could get to the playoffs. Even one of your examples of a teammate that propped up Montana actually caused him to miss out on a fifth (and 3rd in a row) SB.

But believe what you want to (you obviously want to believe Montana was just average). Everyone else in the NFL/Hall/reporters who would pick Joe Cool (average arm, average speed, average height, but incredible intangibles) must be wrong...

And again just for the record: would you also have given Joe credit for that win if Craig had not fumbled?

That would have been a bit of a stretch since Steve Young was the QB for about the last 10 minutes of the game.

Of course Montana was one of the top QB's of all time. I never said that Montana was "average"...that is your word and possibly your opinion. What I said was that Montana had great teams around him and the 49er record at that time proves it.

You believe what YOU want. None of Montana's career individual stats match up with Favre. (Check the list a few posts above) That's my point and it's undisputably true.

Joe 4 Super Bowl Wins

Favre 1 Super Bowl Win

For maybe the first time ever, You're right, "undisputably true!"

Including the interceptions noted above. :rolleyes: Face it, Favre is a tough guy with a good arm. But he was not ever as good a complete QB as Montana.