Gates says MS needs more foreigners

[cab83_750]

Originally Posted by genrex

Meanwhile, qualified computer-science graduates of our universities are applying to Microsoft, but their applications are routinely rejected! The unemployment rate among new graduates of computer-science programs here in western Washington (the home of Microsoft!) is very high, over 75%. I think Gates should try explaining why THEIR applications are rejected, and why there are so many immigrants from the subcontinent living here and working the jobs that THEY should be working.

Good luck with that..

With all due respect, how many of you guys are in the computer industry???????

Prior to Y2K and H1 stuff, American employees used to get the well-deserved 15-25% annual raises. They also get the necessary training, re-education, etc. that must be exist for a well balanced, symbiotic employee-employer relationship.

Now, with H1 visas being increased on an annual basis, it is now common for American workers to get just 2-3% raises. Those who can't keep up with technology, the fat ones, the ugly ones, the old ones, the ones who dont belong to the click, the ones who can't play golf, the ones who cant stay late because of kids,......... get booted out! There were hundreds of MIS guys where I used to work; today, I could count with my fingers the remaining employed ones.

Remember the "mainframe guys." I know a lot of them who were willing to get cross-trained on PCs and mid-range machines. However, with H1 visas, they just get 'retired.'

So guys, help me out here. How is this helping the economy!!!!!




p.s.,

Whenever someone finally approaches me to ask how they could be like me, I sadly say: "Don't try to enter the computer industry. It is too late as it is not lucrative anymore---globalization killed its local fortune."

[cab83_750]

Originally Posted by Jim Sims

The employers want to pay low wages for 10-15 years of experience and/or the top of the class. They have little interest in making an investment in new personnel. If allowed, it will become a "race to the bottom". All jobs (including yours - present and future) can be "cheapened" and exported if that is what is allowed.

It is so sad to see and hear when my previously-respected co-workers would be told....

"You know, I can replace you with 3 younger 'yes-sir' employees cheaper than what I currently pay you!"

[hytem]

Hispanics are the main immigration problem--the illegal ones who have crossed over from Mexico in the millions over the years, poor people with little education and skills. Having kids here who are citizens just multiplies the problem geometrically. The number must be 25-30 million by now.

The best way to solve this problem is to make Mexico a state, and send them back to their original homes. That way, the Mexicans share the wealth, and we get the oil. And then there's Venezuela...

[Wickd89]

Need to do something quick, Cali budget cuts are going to increase class sizes for kids so we need to start deporting immediately.
Well at least check for residency before admitting into schools. Please!

[Wickd89]

H1B are popular and let in tons of people. The bigger the H1B, the lower the salary is for US educated engineers.
Everytime they bring in a new group of H1Bs, the rates drop to minimum wage due to the H1Bs.

Thing is that they are actually making pretty good engineers and doctors in other countries.
Everyone in the US wants to be a rapper or American Idol, and no one wants to study hard just to have a middle class lifestyle. I was always OK with that..

ONLY REAL JOB FOR AN AMERICAN IS TO MANAGE INCOMING TALENT..

[The Gaijin]

The laws of supply and demand work for the price of oil or computer workers wages.

Imagine if some "protected" groups of our society - lets say members of the state bar associations - were suddenly forced to compete with barristers from India or Nigeria suddenly granted a boatload of H1B visas?

Somehow I can't imagine that happening..

[The Gaijin]

Originally Posted by Wickd89

H1B are popular and let in tons of people. The bigger the H1B, the lower the salary is for US educated engineers.

You guys need a union or at least a lobby.

[widebody911]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Hot female engineers............there's something wrong with that phrase.

There's nothing wrong with the phrase, it's just highly improbable. Like "$100 bills raining from the sky"

[cab83_750]

Originally Posted by The Gaijin

The laws of supply and demand work for the price of oil or computer workers wages.

Imagine if some "protected" groups of our society - lets say members of the state bar associations - were suddenly forced to compete with barristers from India or Nigeria suddenly granted a boatload of H1B visas?

Somehow I can't imagine that happening..

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First I want to have a disclaimer here: I am not much of a politician nor an economist.

1. Do you know that we have so much beef, rice, fruits, etc. that we could saturate Japan and may 'screw up' their farmers? Japan's protects itself from this!!!!!

2. There seems to be a tons of diamond supply that a few companies hoard them to give the impression that the plentiful diamond is actually a scarce commodity.

3. The laws of supply and demand dates way back in time.

4. One can manipulate supply driving demand high ---- or vice versa.

[The Gaijin]

Cab - I am not saying it is a good thing. All kinds of visas are given out and it naturally depresses wages...

I don't think it is fair thing. If your study for a decent job and work in that very viable industry - they should not open the door to the third world..

And the point I was trying to make is that could - but never will happen to lawyers.

[911pcars]

This is Gate's euphemistic way of saying he can't get enough skilled tech types for lower wages and benefits. It's also the corporate mantra.

The US should take the position of employment for US citizens first; then fill needs from overseas. Doesn't that make sense? If you're from the US, try getting a job in Canada and see what they say. In my infrequent trips up north, they ask what your purpose is in their country. Canada wants full Canadian employment, as it should be here.

Sherwood

[Mule]

With the new H1B program for hookers, governors will have hotter ho's than this availible for a few hundred bucks!

[Dixie]

I started to post a really interesting post about I/S, the future, and the company I work for.

Then the short answer dawned on me.

All kidding aside… If you're in school, don't major in computers, IS, Business, or anything else. Go to law school. Sure lawyers don’t really producer anything. And yes, lawyers don’t increase a society’s standard of living. But they are really good at redistributing wealth to themselves

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

[cab83_750]

Originally Posted by Capt. Carrera

… If you're in school, don't major in computers, IS, Business, or anything else. Go to law school. ... .

Thank you for complementing my opinion.

When I was about to retire 4-5 years ago, I was actually planning on optionally and leisurely going back to school just to be busy. Guess what? I was planning on becoming a 'nurse' or a mechanic; the new degree would be my new profession in case I get bored from retirement.

Why nurse or mechanic? Recession or not, people get sick and cars break down. Plus, I don't have to be in a big city to earn money. I can just move to Podunkville and/or work for Dr. Quack, and still earn some money.

And for some ready to give their input, yes I know that they are also bringing in nurses from abroad.

IS is no longer a field to be in. We get stabbed twice: 1) H1 visa route which I call 'physical cheap in-sourcing', and 2) work being done remotely (logical out-sourcing).