Jimmy Carter. go back to the other nuts.
 

"Former President Jimmy Carter embraced a leading Hamas figure Tuesday, according to participants in a meeting that infuriated Israeli officials already upset by Carter's freelance Mideast peace mission.":mad: This guy just needs to go away. He was the worst president ever and now he's meddling where he has no business. He definitely should stick to building houses and growing peanuts.

Why has his passport not been revoked?

found on another forum...

In the minutes before 7 p.m. on March 1, 1973, a routine diplomatic reception was breaking up at the Saudi embassy in Khartoum, the capital of Sudan. But as the ambassadors left the party and disbursed to find their drivers, a volley of machine-gun bullets suddenly interrupted the quiet scene. Eight masked gunmen of Black September, a covert Palestinian organization, burst out from the shadows and commandeered into the embassy's main reception room all those not fleet of foot enough to escape. There the diplomats were sat down on the floor and compelled to identify themselves by nationality. The assailants then proceeded to release most of them, keeping just five: two Americans - Ambassador Cleo Allen Noel, Jr. and Chargé d'Affaires George Curtis Moore - a Belgian, a Jordanian, and a Saudi. The gunmen sent out a leaflet with their demands, which included the freeing from Jordan of many Palestinians, including Abu Daoud, a leader of the Black September Organization; the freeing of Sirhan Sirhan, Robert Kennedy's killer, from jail in California; and the freeing of "Palestinian women in prison in Israel."

Twenty-six hours of feverish negotiations then went by. On the evening of the 2nd, the Beirut headquarters of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) sent an order of execution to the terrorists via radio broadcast: "Why are you waiting? The people's blood in the Cold River cries for vengeance" ("Cold River" was the code word for executing the captives). Recordings of that call have suspiciously disappeared, but it appears that Yasir Arafat, chairman of the PLO then as now, personally delivered this order to murder. Soon after he did, the two Americans and the Belgian were bound, lined up against a basement wall, and executed in gangland fashion - all eight gunmen simultaneously pulling on their triggers.


and carter lays flowers on arafat's grave.

I voted for the man and thought he was a well meaning but terrible President. Now he's a well meaning but terrible diplomat.

A shame because initially he was the best ex president out there IMO- really using his influence to do good rather than, for example, shilliing for millions and lying at every opportunity. He really should stay at home and write his memoirs or something.

Carter was the first and last Democratic presidential nominee I voted for BTW.

"well meaning but terrible President." The road to hell is paved with good intentions!":(

No, he's not well-meaning. I used to think he was. But he's crossed the line way too many times and for far too long. He knows what everyone thinks of his actions and he still does them. He's one of those nuts who truly thinks America is what's wrong with the world and, if he can't really weaken us, he can at least try to hurt our image abroad and make it more difficult for our government, regardless of who's in power, to conduct foreign relations. Sort of a bleed the beast mentality with him. He's a traitor and he should not be allowed to travel. Normally, I'd not suggest revoking anyone's passport. But Carter is a propaganda tool for all America's enemies. I think Lenin called such people "useful idiots."

He's a senile old fool, pure and simple. Why did we have to lose Regan, while he's still bumbling around the world?

well, at least carter's not quite as bad as Al Gore. ;)

Billy is / was NOT the dumb one ,
when Billy did something foolish, you could always blame the beer.
Peanuthead , he just want's someone to pay attention to him..old folks get that way.
we could get lucky as he travels to Syria .
Rika

Sure agree with this one. Carter is a oaf and our worse villiage idiot wandering around the world bending over backwards to all of our worst enemies.

carter was the worst President in modern times..... God - he was awful... we [USA] were kicked around by every 3d world countery in the universe... then after he "retired" he seemed to be one of the best "ex-presidents".. building houses > habitat for humanity and al that >> then he gets back on the world stage again and starts trying to make US policy .... TOTALLY out of bounds for an ex-president.... he had his shot and blew it.. go back toGA jimmy ..and stay there.....

Jimmy is as crazy as his brother, it just took a little longer to catch up with him.

x a billion. He's almost Jane Fonda-esque right now.

Well, you cant run around removing evil dictators in order to install the shining beacon of democracy, then complain about the results of same.

Last time I looked, Hamas holds a majority of elected seats in the Palestinian Authority. And that would make it (Hamas) a legitimate political organisation representing the views of Palestinian electorate, in which the bright seeds of democracy have flourished. Allah be praised.

And I'm sure al Qaeda's leadership enjoys the staunch support of their rank and file suicide bombers and garden variety killers too. Doesn't mean we should sit down with them and certainly not lend them the legitmacy and propaganda tool of a high-ranking delegation visit.

I imagine that if Al Qaeda ever stand candidates in free and open elections, and win legitimate office, "we" might have to. Thats the flawed beauty of the democracy we seek to export to the world.

Other than rhetoric, whats Hamas ever done to the United States, BTW? I believe their beef is largely with Israel. But I imagine there is some ill will. I think if my house had been demolished by a huge Caterpiller or a rocket from a McDonnell Douglas F15, or my neighbourhood put under seige by an army almost entirely equipped and funded by the US, I'd be annoyed too.

Sounds like you should be on Carter's advance team. I can put you in touch with his people. Really.

What has Hamas ever done to you?

Nothing more than al Qaeda, Kim Jong Il or Robert Mugabe did to me. I guess that means we should bargain with them.

Rick,

It does no good to try and reason with Stuartj. He tends to lean towards the Socalist/Communist side and rational thought does not work with him.

Talking to your cat or dog results in a more positive way....

Joe

Agreed.

The only thing that has been worse than his presidency is his post-presidency 'diplomacy'.

Really, someone should chain him to his peanut farm and send his brother Billy overseas instead.

We do, all the time, formally and informally. But I dont know why you include AlQaeda. Its is unelected, it is unrepresentive, it is barely an organisation, it has little structure, it has no legitimacy, it has no political power. Its vapour.

Regardless of your view on Hamas or the Palestinian situation, Hamas by virtue of a legitimate democratic process that we all hold so dear and are prepared to go to war because of- IS legitimately elected. As such, its has to dealt with as such. Otherwise- what is democracy worth? Its a bastard.

Joe- is there some matter of fact you would like to dispute in what Ive said?
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I thought not. Just flapping those scurvied old gums again. Poor silly bastard.

Yes, explosive vapor in Al Queda's account.

Stuart,

Its not worth my time to dispute all the drivel and crap you have posted. Even your fellow countrymen in Oz feel you have "gone 'round the bend" so I will just leave it at that.

BTW, you might look into the very first post in the OT section called "forum rules and guidelines." Calling someone names (like you just did calling me "bastard" above) is really not allowed and grounds for being banned for a time period. Not that you abide by any rules, but just thought I would point that out so that maybe someday the liberals on this forum will have to adhere to the same rules that us conservatives do.

No, I didnt think you could find any matter of fact. As usual.

But my goodness Joe, you are offended. I certainly do apologise. It is term of endearment where Im from, you see, to call someone a poor stupid bastard, and Joe, no one is more deserving of that singular, special compliment than you. Hands across the water, Joe. Lend lease.

Carter gained in popularity, at least in Georgia (Atlanta) with his "Habitat for Humanity" campaign years after his presidency. He built a lot of houses for the poor before taking it a step further and heading off around the globe as the self-proclaimed profit of peace. Perhaps his guilt over the failure to get our American comrades released from Iran affected him for years. You know, they were all released the day Reagan took office, but then ex-president Carter met them all at Andrews AFB when they arrived in the states in a proud but embarassing way. He stood outside the plane on the tarmac like a Disney tour guide awaiting and greeting the next bus load of visitors. Sort of a sad sight.

Carter is often running around Atlanta doing his book signings with his wife, staying in the political eye, and trying in his own righteous way to save the world and find peace. His efforts are in earnest, but I agree with most here that as an elder statesman and former President, its time to step back, get back to the peanut farm and write more memoirs. The state department can do so much to curb this guys endeavors; however, the secret service must be incredibly chalenged having to set the security up for these foreign trips, especially to the likes of Hamas. The Israelies, will write this one off, knowing nothing was accomplished by Carter and carry on. His actions certainly cannot be endorsed by the state department.

Its funny.................My office is located on Jimmy Carter Boulevard in Atlanta, GA. Imagine that?!

Bob

Carter was a disgrace and embarrassment in office and thirty years later...still is. Some things never change.

Hamas, weren't they the ones responsible for hiding the nukes from north Korea? You know, the ones that Israel blew up in the desert and both sides kept quiet about until it leaked out?
I thought so.
Aren't they the same ones who lob rockets into the country of one of our very important allies on a daily basis, killing whoever might be walking or standing or sitting, and we should hug them?
Nope, not me.It's one thing to maintain diplomatic relations and totally another to kiss their butts and give them warm hugs and handshakes. Playing hard ball is the way to handle these criminals, not trying to be their best buddy. Carter is an embarassment to our country and an insult to our allies and he needs to be locked up in an old folks home so he can't do any more harm.
Either that or send him back to hang out with Hugo Chavez and make his stay there, they are two peas in a pod.

Kill our citizens, how about that? Probably #3 on list behind Al Queda and Hezbollah. We give the Palestinians a ton of dough every year too, guess the Israelis might not be happy about that.

Hamas is a terrorist organization, the political election was to further these ends. Good bye and good luck to you Stuart, you must be a very angry, lonely man, I hope things get better for you.

Stuart, did it ever occur to you that the Palestinean elections MIGHT not be on the up and up? Terrorists aren't exactly known for their honesty and integrity.

A. Vote for Hamas
B. Kill me and my entire family

Matt,

Come-on here. Yassir Arafat was a pilar of truth in their society...

Everyone knows that! :)

Its disingenous to suggest that Hamas targets Americans. If American citizens are are killed by Hamas its because they are in situ. I recall when Rachel Corrie, the American peace activist deliberately crushed by an Israeli Army bulldozer, met her death a few years back, the general reaction here that she shouldnt have been there.

"Hamas is a terrorist organization, the political election was to further these ends." Thats simply silly. Hamas uses terrorism to further its political ends. I see a number of parallels with the IRA actually.

Things are fine, thanks for asking. Odd that the statement of the FACT that Hamas are a demcratically elected political entity in Palestine, legitimised by the very process we all hold so dear, would provoke this sort of silly personal reaction from from an otherwise intelligent poster. Ah well.

Do you have evidence of this? As far as Im aware the this an internationally observed election and Ive heard no suggestion of electoral fraud. Anything is possible its a f****** up part of the world. But if you are concerned about bodgy electoral process, you might look a little closer to home.

How many terrorists do you know to comment on their honesty and integrity? The British regard the people who fought your War of Independence against them as terrorists. One mans terrorist.......

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24235665

"DAMASCUS, Syria - The leader of Hamas said Monday that his Palestinian militant group would offer Israel a 10-year "hudna," or truce, as implicit proof of recognition of Israel if it withdrew from all lands it seized in the 1967 Middle East War.

Khaled Mashaal told The Associated Press that he made the offer to former U.S. President Jimmy Carter in talks on Saturday. "We have offered a truce if Israel withdraws to the 1967 borders, a truce of 10 years as a proof of recognition," Mashaal said.

In his comments Monday, Mashaal used the Arabic word "hudna," meaning truce, which is more concrete than "tahdiya" — a period of calm — which Hamas often uses to describe a simple cease-fire.............."

At least he's trying to accomplish something.

If you mean Mr Carter is trying to accomplish something, is that by itself a positive thing? I would say no, given his history, particularly his history of being anti-semitic. Just because he is an American, does not mean he has the interests of America as his driving force, or even in mind, when he is doing his free lance bit.

Awesome logic. Idi Amin used to eat people, but he never ate me. Maybe you should invite him over for dinner & introduce him to your kids. Kids are like veal!

I would say that working towards a peaceful solution in that part of the world is a positive thing. I don't think it will happen under the current Admin because we don't talk to our enemies.

:confused:The only peaceful solution in the minds of the Arabs is the elimination of the Jews, and then the elimination of the rest of us. As they say, " First Saturday then Sunday." Time to come down out of the clouds and see things for what they really are.

If somebody kills innocent women and children INTENTIONALLY, I don't have to meet them to know what kind of man they are. The rest of your drivel isn't even worthy of a reply. I'm glad you're filling the nutcase liberal troll void left by the ban of WI Widebody.

You must have a real probelm with Israel.

What drivel? All Ive stated is that Hamas is a democratically elected entity and that they hold a majority of seats in the Palestinian Authority, and that as such, they now must be dealt with as such. If you regard this as nutcase liberal troll drivel, I can only wonder about your ability to process information.