Hola

[Mule]

You think the war in Iraq is costing us to much? Read this:

Boy am I confused. I have been hammered with the propaganda that it is the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us. I now find that to be RIDICULOUS. I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again
until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I have included the URL's for verification of all the following facts.

$11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.
Verify at: http://tinyurl.com/zob77

$2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. Verify at:

$2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
Verify at:
$12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! Verify at: http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.HTML

$17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
Verify at http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML

$3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML

30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML

$90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
Verify at: http://premium.CNN.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.HTML

$200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html

During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Verify at: Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

The National Policy Institute, "estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period."
Verify at: http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf

In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.
Verify at: http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

"The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States ." Verify at: http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.

[stomachmonkey]

Your slipping.

In just one year

[nostatic]

Moses nailed in that thread as well



one trick pony

[Mule]

The hard part was getting CNN & all those other folks to go along with the lies.

[Gogar]

$200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html

BS. Fat, lazy ******* Americans would NEVER do those jobs!

[speeder]

They must be on the same mailing list where you receive the right-wing BS talking-points of the day to disseminate on whatever BBSs you participate on.

Why would any news organisation repeat that? I've been vocally against mass illegal immigration in the U.S. and all of its unintended consequences, (I live in SoCal, which is truly the belly of the beast), but what those numbers conveniently omit is the contribution to the U.S. economy of illegals. I'm not saying that they contribute more net than they cost us, but for chrisakes do the math. There is a HUGE ******* missing piece of the puzzle in that BS email. Do you even care about intellectual honesty?

The Iraq war IS the huge drain on the U.S. economy. When you honestly factor-in the interest costs of our debt to the Chinese for the invasion/occupation and the weak dollar caused by the resulting deficit+ the sky-rocketing cost of energy that is a direct result of those two things, it's a trillion-dollar fuch-up for someone's kids. (I don't have any).

So enjoy your little half-assed tax-break from Dumbo, maybe use it to fill-up the Chevy Suburban and buy a loaf of $5.00 bread. No one is so stupid as the voter who still loves old W and DIck as they get drilled in the ass for the oil industry.

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by Gogar

$200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html

BS. Fat, lazy ******* Americans would NEVER do those jobs!

WTF kind of self-loathing bullshiit is that?

There are plenty of unemployed or underemployed Americans that would take any decent paying job they could get.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by nostatic

Moses nailed in that thread as well



one trick pony

Waaaaaay too many lines in the water for our current Troller

[Buckterrier]

Glad to see you can still get the masses in an uproar Mule

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by Buckterrier

Glad to see you can still get the masses in an uproar Mule

It's actually pretty sad imo...he was a troll before he came to PPOT (on Rennlist, before I left their OT forum) and some things just never seem to change . He's actually a real lightweight compared to Mul(1 & 2), but that was probably before your time here judging by your join date.

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

WTF kind of self-loathing bullshiit is that?

There are plenty of unemployed or underemployed Americans that would take any decent paying job they could get.

Totally agree and we have seen this in Arizona in the last 6 months or so. We enacted a state law recently making it illegal for an employer to hire anyone without the legal right to live and work in America. Thousands started leaving the state and its still continuing. Some go home to Mexico and some go to other states. We do not care where they go as long as they lleave our state.

Americans picked up the slack and are now doing the work that the "wetbacks" did in the past. You give an American a descent wage and they will do the job. This crap about their doing jobs that Americans would not do is just pure BS.

http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/ss/related/71835

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-12-22-immigration-leaving_N.htm

[Mule]

KC you have no idea how valued your opinion is to me. But in typical leftie fashion, if the message stings, attack the messenger.

Thanks Buck!

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by Mule

KC you have no idea how valued your opinion is to me. But in typical leftie fashion, if the message stings, attack the messenger.

Most loudmouthed drunks in a bar are the same way and other than being left-handed, I'm far from being a leftie

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by KC911

Most loudmouthed drunks in a bar are the same way and other than being left-handed, I'm far from being a leftie

compared to whom, Gavin Newsome(SF Mayor)

[The Gaijin]

Let's get back to the links above. I don't doubt most of those figures are correct. For cheap labor - we are selling our country out. For ourselves, our kids and those that come here legally.

Now get to Lowes and buy your own damn lawnmower!

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by Tobra

compared to whom, Gavin Newsome(SF Mayor)

Give me a topic, and I'll tell ya where I stand, but I'm all over the place just like most. In general, I'm WAY more fiscally conservative than most, disdain government handouts, and in gereral, simply want the government to stay out of my private life, and to return to the limited powers that our Constitution originally granted. I've only voted for a Democratic presidential candidate once (didn't like him one bit however), and that was last time around. Oh, I'm a raving liberal by my parent's criteria, but they'd make everyone on this board appear like that too .

[Buckterrier]

Originally Posted by Joeaksa

Totally agree and we have seen this in Arizona in the last 6 months or so. We enacted a state law recently making it illegal for an employer to hire anyone without the legal right to live and work in America. Thousands started leaving the state and its still continuing. Some go home to Mexico and some go to other states. We do not care where they go as long as they lleave our state.

Americans picked up the slack and are now doing the work that the "wetbacks" did in the past. You give an American a descent wage and they will do the job. This crap about their doing jobs that Americans would not do is just pure BS.

Glad to hear that. All you read or hear is businesses would be in trouble without the illegals.

[Mule]

http://www.vdare.com/mann/operation_wetback.htm

[stomachmonkey]

Look, I don't disagree that it's a problem and needs to be dealt with but this sort of inflammatory approach does not help.

While I don't question the validity of these numbers you can't take multiple sources that cover some or all of the same thing and treat them as individual numbers to artificially inflate the total.

This

$11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.
Verify at: http://tinyurl.com/zob77

and this

$2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. Verify at:

and this

$2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
Verify at:

and this

$90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
Verify at: http://premium.CNN.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.HTML

are all the same bucket.

This

$12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! Verify at: http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.HTML

and this

$17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
Verify at http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML

are the same friggin thing.

And at least quote the sources accurately, the source says illegal AND legal aliens.

$200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html[/I]

This kind of crap presentation does not help the issue.

[Mule]

Your youth is showing. Welfare is cash payments. Medicaid is totally different, even has a different tax to fund it. Social services is totally different too. Your idealism is obfuscating the obvious.