So the libs here support the reverend's remarks...
 

...while a certain Mr. Obama has other views...

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D90BMTNO0&show_article=1

....and for God's sakes don't go off into that "perspective" BS again.

There ya go again thinking there is only one reality. On bizzaro world things are much different ;)

What happened to "he's like a crazy old uncle?"

Indeed, that which you have not seen.......... does not exist. :)

Wait a minute, I thought he could no more disown Mr Wright than he could the entire black community, or his grandmother. He said this after this stuff came out.

So Mr Obama did not notice this stuff for 20 years, then all the sudden it is a problem when he catches flak for it. So will he divorce his wife when her positions and statements create more problems for him?

He's also wearing the flag lapel pin these days.

Your point is to discredit Obama for trying to distance himself from statements he didn't agree with while not throwing a long standing friend to the wolves? Obama has come out and said this in repsonse to the latest Wright comments:

Obama said his earlier mild reaction came because he gave him the benefit of the doubt, but that evaporated when he saw Wright's speech. Wright's comments may well have severed the relationship.

"He has done great damage, I do not see that relationship being the same," said Obama.

Clearly, Obama HAD some affection for the man and tried not to throw him comletely under the bus before. Now, Wright may have crawled under a bus himself.

Sooner or later Hillary's idiot brother, cousin, neighbor et al will become an issue for her and someone McCain knows, likes or is related to, sat on some board with, had his picture taken with, etc will become an issue for him too. Its all mud slinging. Let's try to find a reason to blame anything we are sensitive about on the candidate of our choice.

Wait a minute, I thought he could no more disown Mr Wright than he could the entire black community, or his grandmother. He said this after this stuff came out.

So Mr Obama did not notice this stuff for 20 years, then all the sudden it is a problem when he catches flak for it. So will he divorce his wife when her positions and statements create more problems for him?


NAIL....HIT....ON....HEAD.

In any event I'll bet it's gonna be a masterpiece of ducking and weaving. And the MSM will top it with a even more stupendous act of fellatio. And after Bill Moyers that's saying something.

"Your point is to discredit Obama for trying to distance himself from statements he didn't agree with while not throwing a long standing friend to the wolves?"

No the point is Obama has heard and embraced these statements for over twenty years- when it suited his rise in the poor black community. And now that they are doing damage to his campaign he wants to disown them and the man who made them- his spiritual mentor and a member of his family.

Neither you or Barrack can have it both ways.

All he needs is a hat & a cane!

Bullschit.

Mark my words, the Rev. Wright is working on a new talk show and a book deal. Just wait.

your thread title puts words in people's mouths. eg I never "supported" the guy's remarks. I simply stated that he might be speaking for a significant population and that their perception of America may in fact reflect his words.

More to the point, way back when I said this was clearly a lose/lose for BO. No matter *what* he did he would be criticized. If he didn't speak up against the Rev he was giving tacit approval. If he did speak up, he was throwing his long time advisor under the bus.

Politicians do this crap all the time. It is part and parcel of the job.

The bottom line is that one side will overlook the failing of their guy and pounce on the failings of the other guy. And vice versa. Pretty much anything can be spun one way or another. Just depends on which way you lean as to which you're willing to swallow.

Wow.

I just watched his NAACP speech. Talk about racist.

If any white guy said the kinds of things he said about black people, Jesse and Al would be there, demanding resignation (and donations to go away). It would be the top story on every newscast for the next two weeks.

I especially reviled the part where he said:

"If you see your white friends in church, doing this..." [claps dramatically off-rhythm] "...Y'ALL!!!"

At least he has finally realized that there are a few voters around this country who still respect this flag. Someday others here on the PPOT will as well figure this out.

Just like Bubbas cabinet, these democrats look & act like the people from the bar scene in Star Wars. The GOP is gonna trounce them hard come November!

Yep, that B. Hussien Obama is a real man of character and substance.

He's just the latest far left hack that the Dems have suicidally tied themselves too.

I will be stunned if he is elected in November, if he even makes it that far.

You both read the same thing. You get the obvious point and Dan refused to do so, hmm...

I guess that is why the Obama Love Fest thread did not get much play, no(well 1or2 did) libs had anything nice to say about Obamarama, go figure

Joe, I thought about our exchange of views (another thread) when I was up at VIR last Sunday for the Rolex race. While the national anthem played, I observed that a hush fell over the crowd as the strains drifted up to where we were standing at the time. EVERYONE became quiet, stood at attention, facing the general direction, but only a few placed their hands over their hearts, and another small percentage removed their caps. I felt VERY patriotic as I stood there amongst that crowd of patriotic Americans. I think we DO have it figured out...some just come at it from a different perspective. It was a beautiful thing :)

Nostatic I wasn't speaking of you but of the other remarks I saw. For instance:

"This is disappointing. Personal desire? What a perversion of one man's desire to share a message, an important message. A message no one wants to hear. his job, as a preacher, is to share a message. that's his job description."

As I think stated somewhere he isn't a preacher with an important message but a self serving race baiter spouting the usual divisive *****. And I don't believe for a minute that he espouses what the "average" black man thinks. I don't know how anyone could say that- unless they believed the "average" black man is a stupid racist.

Unfortunately for the Obama supporters Mr. Wright did expose Mr. Obama as the hypocrite he is. And, I think, seriously hurt him among the white blue collar democrats.

Are you talking to me?

My remarks were about one clip, the one in 2001 ending in "God D--- America".

Back in 2001 there were a lot of preachers saying we had it coming. Screw them. At least with Wright there was a build up with examples which put an interesting twist to it.

The other things Wright has said I never commented on, no other excuse than grandstanding to get a reaction out of people and play off of their fears.

Wright is out of touch with mainstream thoughts and out of touch with Obama's message and platform. The more distance between Wright and Obama the better.

At least this should end the silly talk of Obama taking orders or direction from Wright. At least I hope so, but then again I'm a hopeful guy.

Rev. Wright is a pussy cat compared the freedom-hating angry-white-guy preachers the GOP has associated itself with. Robertson, Dobson, Hagee, etc. Those nutbags are 10x more influential and somehow they seem to evade public outrage. This Rev Wright stuff is blown all out of proportion.

Do I really need to post quotes?

And for you church-goers out there, tell us straight-up, do you agree with everything your pastor says from the pulpit? How about we put your ass to the fire for the crazy **** your church leaders spout?

Jerry Falwell: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jerry_Falwell
The true Negro does not want integration... He realizes his potential is far better among his own race... It will destroy our race eventually... In one northern city, a pastor friend of mine tells me that a couple of opposite race live next door to his church as man and wife... It boils down to whether we are going to take God's Word as final.[1]

James Dobson: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/James_Dobson
"[P]ain is a marvelous purifier. . . It is not necessary to beat the child into submission; a little bit of pain goes a long way for a young child. However, the spanking should be of sufficient magnitude to cause the child to cry genuinely."
From Dare to Discipline, pages 6 and 7

Pat Robertson: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Pat_Robertson
"[Homosexuals] want to come into churches and disrupt church services and throw blood all around and try to give people AIDS and spit in the face of ministers." The 700 Club, 1/18/95

Now THERE'S some Christian love right there, say hellelujah!

You lefties are so shattered you are attacking windmills. What does any of this stupidity have to do with the election? Are you surprised that these guys are idiots? Are you trying to (spin) change the subject? I'm not! Here is the issue at hand, the good reverend, just yesterday, made the following racist statements. This is the same rev who, led BHO to Christ, married him & his America hating wife, baptized his kids, preached to him every Sunday, accepted tens of thousands of dollars in contributions, had a formal position in BHO's campaign, was considered by BHO his spiritual leader & mentor and was a dinner guest at BHO's home. Enjoy!

MODERATOR: In your sermon, you said the government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. So I ask you: Do you honestly believe your statement and those words?

WRIGHT: Have you read Horowitz’s book, “Emerging Viruses: AIDS and Ebola,” whoever wrote that question? Have you read “Medical Apartheid”? You’ve read it?

(UNKNOWN): Do you honestly believe that (OFF-MIKE)

WRIGHT: Oh, are you — is that one of the reporters?

MODERATOR: What is your relationship with Louis Farrakhan? Do you agree with and respect his views, including his most racially divisive views?

WRIGHT: As I said on the Bill Moyers’ show, one of our news channels keeps playing a news clip from 20 years ago when Louis said 20 years ago that Zionism, not Judaism, was a gutter religion.

And he was talking about the same thing United Nations resolutions say, the same thing now that President Carter is being vilified for, and Bishop Tutu is being vilified for. And everybody wants to paint me as if I’m anti-Semitic because of what Louis Farrakhan said 20 years ago.

I believe that people of all faiths have to work together in this country if we’re going to build a future for our children, whether those people are — just as Michelle and Barack don’t agree on everything, Raymond (ph) and I don’t agree on everything, Louis and I don’t agree on everything, most of you all don’t agree — you get two people in the same room, you’ve got three opinions.

So what I think about him, as I’ve said on Bill Moyers and it got edited out, how many other African-Americans or European-Americans do you know that can get one million people together on the mall? He is one of the most important voices in the 20th and 21st century. That’s what I think about him.

I’ve said, as I said on Bill Moyers, when Louis Farrakhan speaks, it’s like E.F. Hutton speaks, all black America listens. Whether they agree with him or not, they listen.

Now, I am not going to put down Louis Farrakhan anymore than Mandela would put down Fidel Castro. Do you remember that Ted Koppel show, where Ted wanted Mandela to put down Castro because Castro was our enemy? And he said, “You don’t tell me who my enemies are. You don’t tell me who my friends are.”

Louis Farrakhan is not my enemy. He did not put me in chains. He did not put me in slavery. And he didn’t make me this color.

MODERATOR: Can you elaborate on your comparison of the Roman soldiers who killed Jesus to the U.S. Marine Corps? Do you still believe that is an appropriate comparison and why?

WRIGHT: One of the things that will be covered at the symposium over the next two days is biblical history, which many of the working press are unfamiliar with.

In biblical history, there’s not one word written in the Bible between Genesis and Revelations that was not written under one of six different kinds of oppression, Egyptian oppression, Assyrian oppression, Persian oppression, Greek oppression, Roman oppression, Babylonian oppression.

The Roman oppression is the period in which Jesus is born. And comparing imperialism that was going on in Luke, imperialism was going on when Caesar Augustus sent out a decree that the whole world should be taxed. They weren’t in charge of the world. It sounds like some other governments I know.

That, yes, I can compare that. We have troops stationed all over the world, just like Rome had troops stationed all over the world, because we run the world. That notion of imperialism is not the message of the gospel of the prince of peace, nor of God, who loves the world.

And best of all:
“Africans have a different meter, and Africans have a different tonality,” he said. Europeans have seven tones, Africans have five. White people clap differently than black people. “Africans and African-Americans are right-brained, subject-oriented in their learning style,” he said. “They have a different way of learning.” And so on.

After jokingly mocking the Boston accents of former Presidents John F. and Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., Wright said, “nobody says to a Kennedy, ‘You speak bad English,’ only to a black child was that said.”
Wright said that he believes “a change is going to come, ’cause many of us are committed to change how we see others who are different.”

Kach I was just kidding.

Also do you know anything about surface noice? I got new turntable and cartridge and it is worse- despite spending considerable bucks and painstakingly aligning and realigning.

There's a saying in politics, if you try to please everone you will please no one.
In other words, you have to pick a side. If you try to ride the fence and go middle ground you will alienate both sides and no one will support you.

I'm wondering if Obama is getting caught in that trap.

He knows that he has to appear non-threatening to most white votors, but then there's the fringe angry black man supporters who want something much more extreme from him.
With the good reverend and sharpton talking smack about Obama pandering to the whitey, I'm wondering if this guy is in a no-win saituation.
It's almost as if he can't be white enough or black enough, and at the same time is too much of both?
I'd prefer if the general public was completely color-blind and race didn't enter into it at all but if the two reverends can't do that how can we expect it from anyone else?

Bottom line is, race shouldn't be a factor but it is and will be a factor, from both sides. it's already out there in your face from the black community leaders. I wish that wasn't the case but on my planet, that is reality.

The 4 horsemen are out again - we're in complete agreement, especially with the first line quoted. This is lose-lose for BO.

...you mean like McCain? trying to appeal to his "base" yet trying to get cross overs?

Yes, exactly. McCain isn't quite liberal enough for most dems but is too liberal for most republicans.
His saving grace is his two prospective opponents are flaming liberals nearing the point of being communists so McCain will still get the lesser of three evils vote.

:rolleyes: Oh c'mon. Next thing you'll be saying is, "The sky is falling!, the sky is falling!"

You don't share their point of view? Fine. They're not and nowhere near "Communists" any more than hard Right politicians are "fascists".

The hyperbole thrown around in our angst over candidates from the "other" side is really remarkable.

Have either one proposed a solution to anything that is not centered around higher taxis & more govt?

Unfair question. Obama hasn't proposed a solution to anything!

B freaking S!
They have both said many, many times that they plan to take from the wealthy and re-distribute the money as they see fit to the less fortunate.
They know better and want to re-distribute the wealth until everyone has closer the same. That is marxism in case you haven't heard.

HIldabeast came right out and said it when she was pushing to make sure the more well-off didn't get tax rebate checks. She said she was gonig to take it away from us and give it to others, and it was for our own good.

She's said stuff just like that many times. They have both acted upon those communistic beliefs, voting and supporting bills to re-distribute the wealth.
That's fine of you are a low-life loser who is to worthless to support yourself, but what if you are a person who isn't a drug addict or loser and has managed to get ahead because of a lifetime of hard work and self-discilpine? Kinda sucks having all that taken away and given to the "less forunate" who are better at makng up excuses for their own failures and shortcomings that actually trying. Makes you think, why did I bother?

I can find hildabeast's exact quotes if you want, but it would probably be a waste of time since it says something you don't want to hear so you'd probably just ignore it as if it never happened.