Jimmy Carter and the Palesteinians

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This was posted to the C Rose Website this afternoon. See if you hear any of the same comments on any of the mainstream media outlets?

Comment by TABS on Tuesday, Apr 29 at 06:27 PM

This whole discussion has been side tracked to the blame game between the Israelies and Palesteinians. As long as neither side will stop and take a good look at their own culpability and not just the other partys, this insanity will continue ad infinitum. The real question posed by Citizen Carters appearence on Mr Roses interview program is the legitimacy of Citzens Carters involvment in the process. What motivation, what authority does Citizen Carter have to act as he does? What does Citizen Carter bring to the table that no one else has? Is Citizen Carter being used by Hamas to give themselves credibility? Is Hamas wanting a peace or is bent of the utter destruction of Israel? Are the Israelies oblivious to how their neighbors view them let alone the world? Has Israel become the very thing that they despise in their hard line concept of defense and expansion? Does Israel think that ANY criticism of their state is an attempt to murder them? Those are questions that no ones answer, except for the participants in the conflict matters.


Comment by TABS on Tuesday, Apr 29 at 06:59 PM

The cold hard truth of the matter is that the United States interest does not require that the Palestinian, Israeli conflict be resolved. Merely that it be contained. The strategic issue seems to have been long resolved, that being a military conflict between nation states that could jeopardize the stability of the region leading to a larger world wide conflict. The United States even enjoys an advantage in the conflict continuing. It distracts the involved parties from seeing what the United States is trying to accomplish. The United States remains the arbiter of the dispute which requires that both parties curry favor with the United States and are disposed to granting requests of them that are in the United States interests.

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I guess better Jimmie than Jesse.

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Originally Posted by tabs

The United States even enjoys an advantage in the conflict continuing. It distracts the involved parties from seeing what the United States is trying to accomplish. The United States remains the arbiter of the dispute which requires that both parties curry favor with the United States and are disposed to granting requests of them that are in the United States interests.

Hogwash

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Originally Posted by Rearden

Hogwash

Change your moniker to innocent and naive...Its called leverage...both the Arabs and Israelites will try and keep the USA favorably disposed to their cause. Nothing overt, but just a subtle being nice to the ole USA. Oh USA you want this well lets see what we can do...

Maybe you have been listening to Bill OReilly or one of the other heads to get your perspective on the world.

I think I got mine from Mother Machiavelli.

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Given a choice, the US would prefer Israel and its neighbors be like France and its neighbors. To pretend that the status quo is preferable to an alternative scenario where those nations are peaceful economic and political allies (to each other and to the West) is hogwash.

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"The United States even enjoys an advantage in the conflict continuing"

You need to really read things more carefully. The operative word is "EVEN" Of course the ending of the conflict is preferable, however if both parties refuses to settle the matter, do you really think the USA wouldn't use even the slight advantage it gets from a continuation.

Also if it were so important of a matter to the USA there would be alot more pressure put on the partyys to settle. What comes to mind is the Egyptian- Israelie peace accord. That for all intents and purpopses another nation state war that could have disrupted world peace back in the 1970's was permanently put to rest...that was important for the US to happen so it happened...get my drift?

why hasn't there been the hugh amount of pressure put on the partys on this matter?

I am waiting for U....to make that comment again....

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Originally Posted by tabs

why hasn't there been the hugh amount of pressure put on the partys on this matter?

I am waiting for U....to make that comment again....

1) the "Palestinians" are not a real country with a single real government that can negotiate and implement such a peace.

2) the "Palestinians" have no Muslim allies in the region that have much desire for a peaceful resolution, hence there isn't much pressure exerted. The status quo is a handy distraction for all the dictatorships in the region, as it allows the citizenry an officially-sanctioned bogeyman to vilify, protest, and blow off their rage. Sure beats the hell out of the populations protesting their own oppressive regimes.

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screw the Palesteinians..its the Saudi and other AAAArabs that we want to influence the USA. Your not going to tell me that the Saudis don't cringe everytime the Palesteinians do something outrageous?

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Originally Posted by tabs

screw the Palesteinians..its the Saudi and other AAAArabs that we want to influence the USA. Your not going to tell me that the Saudis don't cringe everytime the Palesteinians do something outrageous?

As long as the "Palestinians" don't cuddle up to the Israelis, the Saudis could care less what the "Palestinians" do. The status quo suits them just fine. The regime digs it when their state-run media gets to show wounded Muslims on the streets of Gaza and Hebron. It keeps the anti-Israel rage simmering.

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Jewish leaders planned the Holocaust to kill "disabled and handicapped" Jews to avoid having to care for them, according to a Hamas TV educational program. As much of the world prepared to commemorate Yom HaShoah, Holocaust Remembrance Day, Hamas TV presented its latest sinister twist on Holocaust denial.
The Hamas TV educational program, broadcast last week, taught that the murder of Jews in the Holocaust was a Zionist plot with two goals:

1- To eliminate "disabled and handicapped" Jews by sending them to death camps, so they would not be a burden on the future state of Israel.

2- At the same time, the Holocaust served to make "the Jews seem persecuted" so they could "benefit from international sympathy."


found this on jihadwatch.org

remember, jimmy carter has no problem sitting down and chatting with these loons.

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but the peanut farmer is a fringe nobody, we get President Obama and you will have the POTUS drinking tea and eating hummus with them.

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Rearden you do make a point here. The Palestinians are orphans on the world stage. No one really cares about their plight. The only support they get is from others who are serving their own agenda.

However the fact remains that the USA is the arbiter of the dispute and the other parties remain supplicants. As supplicants they wish to remain in the good graces of the arbiter. However slight that advantage is, it is still an unintended consequence of the continuing conflict between the Israelites and Palestinians. If you have noticed Ha mas and Hezbollah have not targeted the USA. For they know that if they do they are lost once and for all. Even Arafat denounced 911 with a deeply worried look oin his face, while his people danced in the street.

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Originally Posted by varmint

Jewish leaders planned the Holocaust to kill "disabled and handicapped" Jews to avoid having to care for them, according to a Hamas TV educational program. As much of the world prepared to commemorate Yom HaShoah, Holocaust Remembrance Day, Hamas TV presented its latest sinister twist on Holocaust denial.
The Hamas TV educational program, broadcast last week, taught that the murder of Jews in the Holocaust was a Zionist plot with two goals:

1- To eliminate "disabled and handicapped" Jews by sending them to death camps, so they would not be a burden on the future state of Israel.

2- At the same time, the Holocaust served to make "the Jews seem persecuted" so they could "benefit from international sympathy."


found this on jihadwatch.org

remember, jimmy carter has no problem sitting down and chatting with these loons.

One has to be ignorant or delusional to believe that the Holocaust didn't take place . As such not many people take the claims of these people very seriously.

Anybody who wishes to discuss the Holocaust with me is more than welcome.