What's up with West Virginia?

[kach22i]

My apologies to anyone that lives there, but what were they thinking?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080514/ap_on_el_pr/primary_rdp

Nearly a quarter of the voters in West Virginia's primary were 60 or older, and a similar share had no education beyond high school, exit polls indicated. More than half were in families with incomes of $50,000 or less, and the former first lady was winning nearly 70 percent of their votes.

So half are old and undereducated, what about the other quarter?

[The Gaijin]

They are not ready for an Obama coronation. Nobody really is - it just came down to them.

[Dan in Pasadena]

They're poor, undereducated and predominantly white. Two thirds of them aren't going to vote for a black man apparently.

[lendaddy]

Originally Posted by Dan in Pasadena

They're poor, undereducated and predominantly white. Two thirds of them aren't going to vote for a black man apparently.

Democrats are racists? Say it isn't so!

[The Gaijin]

The cover of the NY Daily News is: HilBilly Win!

And inside across two pages: "Mountain Moma in toothless win!".

[tchanson]

Tim

[widebody911]

Poor, undereducated, and predominantly white? That's the hard-core Republican base, and Rush Limbaugh told them to vote for Hillary http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Rush+Limbaugh+Hillary+support&btnG=Google+Search

[varmint]

love to watch the conceit and contempt spewing from liberals when poor people don't vote the way you tell them to.

[tabs]

Kach if U think everybody is falling over themselves for Obama guess again. Obama is simply not platable to Blue Collar or Lower Middle Class White folk. They view him as being someone who is a Liberal Eliteist without experience, who thinks that knows better than they do They view his message of "Yes we can change" with suspicion. Another HOLLOW PROMISE that is going to tax them even more. The Teddy K endorsement while invaluable to geting the nom is going to be a curse in the general.

Lets just put Obama in the Demagog catagory.

[tabs]

Now you combine those Blue Collar and Lower MC voters with women, Jews, independents, and the Republican base and who does Obama have left to vote for him. Upper Class Liberal Dems, college students and Blacks. The Hispanics are a toss up, which was largily for Hill. McCain on the other hand is not seen as a strictly Republican candidate, he is viewed as being more moderate which will appeal to ALL THOSE SWING VOTERS.

[legion]

Originally Posted by varmint

love to watch the conceit and contempt spewing from liberals when poor people don't vote the way you tell them to.

Which is exactly why they don't trust "the little people" to do anything for themselves.

[MRM]

It's all relative. In West Va., I mean.

[cgarr]

Originally Posted by MRM

It's all relative. In West Va., I mean.

Yep, thats what my Uncle says!

[tchanson]

An interesting analysis:


Upcountry

05.13.08 -- 10:00PM

By Josh Marshall

If the exit polls (and the pre-election polls) are accurate, Hillary Clinton is set to win West Virginia by roughly a 2 to 1 margin over Barack Obama. Oregon, next Tuesday, favors Obama. But Kentucky, which votes the same day, seems likely to yield a similar margin for Sen. Clinton. So what is it about these two states that makes them so favorable to Hillary Clinton?

There's been a lot of talk in this campaign about Barack Obama's problem with working class white voters or rural voters. But these claims are both inaccurate because they are incomplete. You can look at states like Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania and other states and see the different numbers and they are all explained by one basic fact. Obama's problem isn't with white working class voters or rural voters. It's Appalachia. That explains why Obama had a difficult time in Ohio and Pennsylvania and why he's getting crushed in West Virginia and Kentucky.

If it were just a matter of rural voters or the white working class, the pattern would show up in other regions. But by and large it does not.

In so many words, Pennsylvania and Ohio have big chunks of Appalachia within their borders. But those regions are heavily offset by non-Appalachian sections that are cultural and demographically distinct. West Virginia is 100% Appalachian. If you look at southeastern Ohio or the middle chunk of Pennsylvania, Obama did about the same as he's doing tonight in West Virginia.

Below is a map of the Appalachian counties stretching from New York down into Mississippi. Below that is a map of counties that Hillary Clinton has won by more than 65%. As you can see match up quite closely -- the grey gaps are Kentucky and West Virginia which hadn't voted yet.






So what is it about this region?

Let me offer a series of overlapping explanations. First, some basic demographics. It's widely accepted that Hillary Clinton does better with older voters, less educated voters and white voters. These demographics perfectly match West Virginia -- and, more loosely, the entire Appalachian region. A few key points from tonight's exit polls demonstrate the point: 4 out of 10 voters were over 60 years of age. 7 out of 10 lacked a college degree -- the highest proportion of any electorate in the country. And 95% of the electorate was white.

Basically you have a state that is made up almost exclusively of Clinton's voters. But there's a deeper historical explanation that we have to apply as well -- one nicely illustrated by the origins of West Virginia itself.

During the 18th and 19th centuries, in the middle Atlantic and particularly in the Southern states, there was a long-standing cleavage between the coastal and 'piedmont' regions on the one hand and the upcountry areas to the west on the other. It's really the coastal lowlands and the Appalachian districts. On the other side of the Appalachian mountain range the pattern is flipped, with the Appalachians in the east and the lowlands in the west.

These regions were settled disproportionately by Scots-Irish immigrants who pushed into the hill country to the west in part because that's where the affordable land was but also because they wanted to get away from the more stratified and inegalitarian society of the east which was built by English settlers and their African slaves. Crucially, slavery never really took root in these areas. And this is why during the Civil War, Unionism (as in support for the federal union and opposition to the treason of secession) ran strong through the Appalachian upcountry, even into Deep South states like Alabama and Mississippi.

As I alluded to earlier, this was the origin of West Virginia, which was originally the westernmost part of Virginia. The anti-slavery, anti-slaveholding upcountry seceded from Virginia to remain in the Union after Virginia seceded from the Union. Each of these regions was fiercely anti-Slavery. And most ended up raising regiments that fought in the Union Army. But they were as anti-slave as they were anti-slavery, both of which they viewed as the linchpins of the aristocratic and inegalitarian society they loathed. It was a society that was both more violent and more self-reliant.

This is history. But it shapes the region. It's overwhelmingly white, economically underdeveloped (another legacy of the pre-civil war pattern) and arguably because of that underdevelopment has very low education rates and disproportionately old populations.

For all these reasons, if you're familiar with the history, it's really no surprise that Barack Obama would have a very hard time running in this region.









Tim

[MRM]

Uncle Daddy?

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by Dan in Pasadena

They're poor, undereducated and predominantly white. Two thirds of them aren't going to vote for a black man apparently.

It couldn't be that they feel he is wholly unqualified for the job, could it?

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by varmint

love to watch the conceit and contempt spewing from liberals when poor people don't vote the way you tell them to.

It is extremely telling. They show what big, fat racists they are themselves when they run their leftist-elitist lips.

[cairns]

"Poor, undereducated, and predominantly white? That's the hard-core Republican base,..."

No that's actually the Democratic base- along with the predominantly black, poor and uneducated. Your obvious contempt for them is evidence of the true lack of compassion espoused by Democrats lately.

Not to mention you apparently have no recollection of Robert Byrd- one of the most powerful and prominent house Democrats in history- who was elected to office year after year by the same people you contemptuously dismiss as republicans.

[The Gaijin]

Originally Posted by tchanson

An interesting analysis:


Tim

Very interesting indeed! Delaware County up-state NY is as hillbilly as you can get!

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by tchanson

An interesting analysis:

Upcountry
05.13.08 -- 10:00PM
By Josh Marshall

Wow, this is what I had in mind when I asked the original question.

Thanks.