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stomachmonkey 05-25-2008 01:23 PM

that one was not her fault
 
she looked pretty pissed

I definately think she was gonna bust out the pimp hand

Good thing security was there

Tim Walsh 05-25-2008 01:31 PM

yep, she was 100lbs of scorned woman.

Buckterrier 05-25-2008 06:26 PM

Wasn't her fault at all but she threw her normal temper tantrum, pounding on the steering wheel, wanting to go after Brisco. She does need to grow up.

Moses 05-25-2008 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Buckterrier (Post 3963983)
Wasn't her fault at all but she threw her normal temper tantrum, pounding on the steering wheel, wanting to go after Brisco. She does need to grow up.

She's edgy. I like it.

stomachmonkey 05-25-2008 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Buckterrier (Post 3963983)
Wasn't her fault at all but she threw her normal temper tantrum, pounding on the steering wheel, wanting to go after Brisco. She does need to grow up.

if she were in NASCAR it would have been on fo sure

If she were a dude it would have been ok, but because she's a chick she's being a baby?

URY914 05-25-2008 07:17 PM

What was she going to do?

Such it up little girl, that's racing.

Porsche-O-Phile 05-25-2008 07:43 PM

Adrian Sutil got shafted way worse than she did.

Screw the Earl anyway. I refuse to support fkin Tony G.

m21sniper 05-25-2008 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 3963615)
she looked pretty pissed

I definately think she was gonna bust out the pimp hand

Good thing security was there

I wish they'd have let her go after him. A good ass kicking is apparently something she needs. What makes a 100lb chick go after a healthy adult man in his prime?

9dreizig 05-25-2008 08:05 PM

the chick drives 225 mph, was pissed cause the car wouldn't go faster, and then was upset when some A$$clown knocked her out.. oh and she's hot,, I like her!!!

TheMentat 05-25-2008 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile (Post 3964088)
Adrian Sutil got shafted way worse than she did.

Screw the Earl anyway. I refuse to support fkin Tony G.

+1000! gotta feel for that guy...

Buckterrier 05-26-2008 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Moses (Post 3964001)
She's edgy. I like it.

I like that also. But when she goes after these guys they are in a no win situation. Be pushed around by her and you look like a cheeseweiny, push the b***h back and your career is over, lose/lose proposition.

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Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 3964033)
if she were in NASCAR it would have been on fo sure

If she were a dude it would have been ok, but because she's a chick she's being a baby?

You didn't see Tony Kanaan acting like that did you? It's called grace under fire.

livi 05-26-2008 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile (Post 3964088)
Adrian Sutil got shafted way worse than she did.

Yes, I really felt sorry for him. A once in a life time race lost from a freak accident with the car behind him. I bet he was ready to whip out the pimp hand on Kimi, although Kimi did a great job trying to avoid hitting him.

Overall a very entertaining race.

Por_sha911 05-26-2008 07:50 AM

If Danica were a man, she'd not have the attention (good and bad). Plain fact is, she isn't a man (I know, I have an amazing ability to state the obvious SmileWavy). To that end, she deserves creds for being a pioneer. Also, I know that the worst driver in that field of 33 (or even the ones that didn't make it) better on a bad day with a hangover than I will ever be!

Was she going to punch him out? Heck no! She wanted to vent. Besides, in car racing that is just good theater. She wanted the fans in the stands in turn 4 to know it wasn't her fault. Remember the "thrill from West Hill"? Paul Tracy was in a shouting match every week (and even a few full blown fist fights) and his fans loved it. Don't even get me started on the mullets in Crashcar.
Bottom line: racing is a show. The fans are loyal to their drivers. As a result, the sponsors pay the big bucks to get their stuff in front of the fans and on TV. Winning races just means more fans. Could they eliminate half the stupidity in racing? Sure but the fans would diminish as well. (Again Crashcar proves how much fans love stupidity, but I digress). I'll probably get flamed for the above so here's the disclaimer: Crashcar drivers are better than me as well.

So, will Danica be another Rick Mears, AJ Foyt, Mario, Michael, Little Al, or Danny Sullivan? Probably not. Is she a fairly attractive female racer that is dam fast? Yup and more power to her. Does she have a weight advantage? Sure but she also has a strength disadvantage. Now, lets talk about how BADLY they hacked up the broadcast this year with commercials!!!

Por_sha911 05-26-2008 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Buckterrier (Post 3964324)
You didn't see Tony Kanaan acting like that did you? It's called grace under fire.

Even though Tony is a different personality that gets along with almost everyone, I've seen Tony in a few nose-to-nose shouting matches too.

URY914 05-26-2008 07:57 AM

I thought the piece on death was in very bad taste.

sammyg2 05-26-2008 07:58 AM

booo freaking hoo for her. I remember a few years ago she was following a pace car wiggling back and forth trying to heat up her tires and she crashed out another car. How hard is it to follw a pace car without hitting another car? Glass Houses. Maybe the driver of that car should have went after her?

She's a publicity stunt, that's all.

Buckterrier 05-26-2008 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Por_sha911 (Post 3964635)
If Danica were a man, she'd not have the attention (good and bad). Plain fact is, she isn't a man (I know, I have an amazing ability to state the obvious SmileWavy). To that end, she deserves creds for being a pioneer. Also, I know that the worst driver in that field of 33 (or even the ones that didn't make it) better on a bad day with a hangover than I will ever be!

Was she going to punch him out? Heck no! She wanted to vent. Besides, in car racing that is just good theater. She wanted the fans in the stands in turn 4 to know it wasn't her fault. Remember the "thrill from West Hill"? Paul Tracy was in a shouting match every week (and even a few full blown fist fights) and his fans loved it. Don't even get me started on the mullets in Crashcar.
Bottom line: racing is a show. The fans are loyal to their drivers. As a result, the sponsors pay the big bucks to get their stuff in front of the fans and on TV. Winning races just means more fans. Could they eliminate half the stupidity in racing? Sure but the fans would diminish as well. (Again Crashcar proves how much fans love stupidity, but I digress). I'll probably get flamed for the above so here's the disclaimer: Crashcar drivers are better than me as well.

So, will Danica be another Rick Mears, AJ Foyt, Mario, Michael, Little Al, or Danny Sullivan? Probably not. Is she a fairly attractive female racer that is dam fast? Yup and more power to her. Does she have a weight advantage? Sure but she also has a strength disadvantage. Now, lets talk about how BADLY they hacked up the broadcast this year with commercials!!!

I agree with what you are saying. My point is there can't be a fist fight. And she well knows it. Good point on the strength comment. Did you see the blister on that one drivers hand? :eek:

Porsche-O-Phile 05-26-2008 08:21 AM

I completely agree. She's nothing more than a "token female" marketing effort to promote f*ckin' Tony George and his POS series.

His goal of completely and utterly destroying open-wheel racing in the U.S. is virtually accomplished. All he's got left to do now is kill off the Atlantic series (which is pretty much all OW fans have left now) and retire. I swear he's a cyborg sent back in time by NASCAR to destroy all competition and turn all U.S. auto racing into boorish, vapid, oval-track stupidity. Either that or 1/4 mile drag races.

I also heard on Speed TV's wrap-up yesterday that our fair city of Long Beach here just signed an exclusive agreement with IRL until 2013. What a crock. I won't be attending. Well, I'll go to see the Atlantic and ALMS events (assuming they're still around) but I refuse to put one red cent into Tony G's hands - or into those of his suck-ups like Danica.

David 05-26-2008 08:22 AM

Too bad it wasn't Mika Duno who crashed into her, and they caught on fire and the teams doused them with water, and then they stripped off those wet suits and wrestled in the mud created by all the water. Come on, you're all thinking it, someone had to say it :D.

mattdavis11 05-26-2008 08:32 AM

Sarah had nowhere to go, Marco screwed up and Tony collected her. However, there is no crying in racing. Grow the fuch up. I also don't understand the officials use of prior restraint in F1 or Indy, the racing sucks, at least give the fans a good brawl to watch.

LakeCleElum 05-26-2008 03:36 PM

As she marched down pit road, I was thinking, I've seen that walk before....In my younger days, I was out drinking all night and watched my ex-wife walk up the driveway of my friends house...I'd recognize that walk anywhere....

Racerbvd 05-26-2008 04:16 PM

So those of you that race or even track your cars wouldn't have done the same thing??? Horse hockey!!! Now the Chris Bingham/JC Francis Fight, that was a fight!!!

VINMAN 05-26-2008 08:04 PM

She gets paid to drive an Indy car for a living ,and here we have a bunch of keyboard commandos spending their weekend sitting behind a computer, saying how much she sucks.....:confused::p

Bullet Bob 05-26-2008 08:52 PM

I think Danica can drive, but she doesn't have the ability of most of the Indy car field. If you put Sara Fisher behind the wheel of the equipment Danica has been given, she would have a win under her belt as well.

The thing that is annoying about Danica is she pouts like a little girl every time things don't go her way. I remember her grabbing Dan Wheldon last year after a minor collision and what was he to do? She needs to be more professional and roll with the punches, and grow up. I don't think she would be so bold if she was a guy because then the other party WOULD fight back.

Mule 05-26-2008 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile (Post 3964088)
Adrian Sutil got shafted way worse than she did.

Screw the Earl anyway. I refuse to support fkin Tony G.

He wasn't in the top 5, so I'd say no!

Lil Black Car 05-26-2008 10:30 PM

Maybe he was just thinking with the wrong head for a moment and wanted to nail her. Hell, if I was behind her I would be thinking of nailing too yoo, but I tend to do that. Except when I am with the wife where I consciously avoid looking as much as I can.:cool:

rusnak 05-26-2008 10:44 PM

I just wanna say two things:

How bout Mika Dunno and Danica Patrick colliding and then goin at it, maybe in a fountain like the old Miller Lite ad?

And, Kimi Raikonnen what awesome car control. Ok, he shouldn't have gotten sideways....but he was wayyy going to lose it and somehow brought it back. That wreck should have been much worse. If Sutil was on the gas, maybe MAYBE he would have gotten away. The number of race card drivers who could pull that off are maybe 1 in a 1000.

Here's a link to those who want it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpxPjBZh0LE

ok, sorry....I digress...continue

strupgolf 05-27-2008 05:26 AM

It WAS her fault. She had a little thing called a BRAKE pedal that she could have used. She KNEW that she couldn't pass in the pits, she could take it slow, so why was she trying. Tony G. needs her in this league because it helps sales. A little pouting from a also-ran. Put any of the younger stars in her car, make or female, and they would have better chances to win.

stomachmonkey 05-27-2008 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by strupgolf (Post 3966102)
It WAS her fault. She had a little thing called a BRAKE pedal that she could have used. She KNEW that she couldn't pass in the pits, she could take it slow, so why was she trying. Tony G. needs her in this league because it helps sales. A little pouting from a also-ran. Put any of the younger stars in her car, make or female, and they would have better chances to win.

Hmm, he pulled out and fishtailed into her lane as she came alongside. Had he not fishtailed and stayed in his lane then no foul.

She is currently 6th in the standings, meaning she is driving better than 31 other guys, finished 7th last year and 9th the year before, think I see a pattern here. She is improving and is without a doubt a top 10 driver.

Porsche-O-Phile 05-27-2008 06:13 AM

Actually Sutil was running 4th with no pit stops required when he was KOed by Kimi. He might have even gotten a podium finish. Possible, but unlikely. Most likely he'd have finished 4th, certainly in the points.

Zeke 05-27-2008 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by strupgolf (Post 3966102)
It WAS her fault. She had a little thing called a BRAKE pedal that she could have used. She KNEW that she couldn't pass in the pits, she could take it slow, so why was she trying. Tony G. needs her in this league because it helps sales. A little pouting from a also-ran. Put any of the younger stars in her car, make or female, and they would have better chances to win.

Wrong. She was too far along side of Briscoe to do much. Besides, that all happens in the blink of an eye. To walk down the hot pit lane during a race, caution or not, is wrong as well. She would have never made it on the other side of the wall and she didn't make it on the hot side. Pretty stupid but a great attention getter. The marketing people must love it.

Speaking of that, did anyone notice the female "handler" ever present at Danica's side?

Mule 05-27-2008 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by strupgolf (Post 3966102)
It WAS her fault. She had a little thing called a BRAKE pedal that she could have used. She KNEW that she couldn't pass in the pits, she could take it slow, so why was she trying.

He hit the BACK wheel. She was already past him. He hit her plain & simple. Does he get a pass because he has a dick & she doesn't?

sammyg2 05-27-2008 08:00 AM

Her being is 6th place in the points indicates she has a top ten car and team, not that she is one of the best drivers.
These cars are driven with the gas pedal all the way down all the time unless the car is not set up properly. The steering wheel input is minimal. There is very little driving being done compared to some other forms of motorsport such as road racing.
Put almost any other indy car driver in her car and they would do as good or better.

sammyg2 05-27-2008 08:28 AM

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"Not pleased over what Briscoe did, Patrick got out of her car and started to walk down pit lane, at one point taking off her driving gloves and getting ready for a confrontation. But it's a good thing they were separated by six pit stalls as IndyCar officials and a security guard intervened, sending her back to her own stall.

"It is probably best I didn't get down there anyway, isn't it?" Patrick said.

Briscoe, who also was knocked out of the race and finished 23rd, saw the incident differently.

"There are people pointing fingers, but that's not the way we are," he said. "We both have a brake pedal in our cars, and from what I can tell, there was still plenty of room for her to get around me. I was staying in the middle lane. I got ran up in the back, and it's a shame."

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Robby Gordon accused Danica Patrick of having an unfair advantage in the Indianapolis 500 and said Saturday he will not compete in the race again unless the field is equalized. Gordon, a former open-wheel driver now in NASCAR, contends that Patrick is at an advantage over the rest of the competitors because she only weighs 100 pounds. Because all the cars weigh the same, Patrick’s is lighter on the race track. “The lighter the car, the faster it goes,” Gordon said. “Do the math. Put her in the car at her weight, then put me or Tony Stewart in the car at 200 pounds and our car is at least 100 pounds heavier. “I won’t race against her until the IRL does something to take that advantage away.”

The Indy Racing League does not consider the weight of the driver in its race specifications. The car has to weigh at least 1,525 pounds before the fuel and driver are added, and teams in Indy have estimated that Patrick will gain close to 1 mph in speed because of her small stature.

Although her rivals in Sunday’s race have said she doesn’t have a huge advantage, pole-sitter Tony Kanaan told reporters he would like the Indy Racing League to look into the issue. “Right off the bat, a guy my size is spotting her 105 pounds,” Gordon said.
2005 indy 500:
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Patrick overcame a couple of mistakes to take the lead late in the race. She stalled the engine in the pits on her Honda-power Panoz on lap 79, falling to 16th, last on the lead lap.

She kept her cool and moved all the way to eighth before making another error as the cars began to speed up for a restart after a long caution period. She nearly ran into the car of Scott Sharp, turning sideways and getting hit hard by fellow rookie Tomas Enge. Tomas Scheckter spun to avoid Patrick and slid into the inside wall.

"I'm sorry," said told her team on the radio. "They slowed."

Bullet Bob 05-27-2008 08:39 AM

So what would a 1 mph average speed advantage work out to in a 500 mile race? How about qualifying? How many spots would she be down if that 1 mph was taken away?

stomachmonkey 05-27-2008 08:44 AM

Maybe teams should look for smaller drivers or put their current drivers on diets.

I mean after all if it's all about the car/team and not driver talent then it does not matter who gets behind the wheel right?

Zeke 05-27-2008 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 3966376)
Her being is 6th place in the points indicates she has a top ten car and team, not that she is one of the best drivers.
These cars are driven with the gas pedal all the way down all the time unless the car is not set up properly. The steering wheel input is minimal. There is very little driving being done compared to some other forms of motorsport such as road racing.
Put almost any other indy car driver in her car and they would do as good or better.

Man, is that naive or what? Did you see the in car camera version of the Vitor Mira pass? That's total bravery and control. Minimum input yes, because the cars are on a rail next to being out of control. Race speeds are reduced from qualifying speeds for a number of reasons, but the difference between 222 (at the end) and 228 is not even a heartbeat. The difference in turbulence and prevailing winds changes form lap to lap. You don't suppose there's a wind sock in each corner for the fans to look at do you? :D

In laydown karts at Willow, we hardly moved the wheel. Just looking toward the corner shifted the shoulders enough to have the kart start to move over. A 16th of a full turn would finish the job of corner entry. After that, there was a little wheel movement to control the slip angle. Many oval car racers liken the skill to driving INDY cars to the same skill set involved in karts.

Likewise, many road course drivers including F1 see a great similarity to sprint karts and regularly work out in them. Sawing away at the wheel shows a lack of confidence in the car. NASCAR rookies running Talladega for the first time tend to try to over drive the cars and not let them drive themselves, which they pretty much do out of traffic. But to say there is little driving done there or at Indy is not correct. Sometimes less driving is more using trust as the key to speed. To me, that's real driving and I can tell you that I never had that last 5 % in me to let go and see what happens.

I don't know if I've made my point in all this rambling, but minimal input is a trained skill. Not to mention all the rest of what a driver does: communicate, set weight bars and sway bars, shift from 5th to 6th and back again on both straights, manage all the fuel settings and last and most important, do the pit stop. It's all part of the ability to drive these cars.

Danica led last year fair and square, no gimme's. She just didn't have the car this year and then she got bumped out.

m21sniper 05-27-2008 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by VINMAN (Post 3965774)
She gets paid to drive an Indy car for a living ,and here we have a bunch of keyboard commandos spending their weekend sitting behind a computer, ..:confused::p

Yourself included...

rusnak 05-27-2008 11:32 AM

Milka and Dannica grudge match, as long as were are in OT forum

rusnak 05-27-2008 11:33 AM

Milka and Dannica grudge match, as long as were are in OT forum


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