Supremes rule on Gitmo

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by speeder

The only true BDS is still supporting those coksuckers. You know that, Rick.

Yeah, I know that.

I'm pretty sure my contempt for any administration, past, present or future, won't so blind me to the terrorist threat that I want to coddle the terrorists as a form of protesting an administration.

[Mule]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

Just wow. You have no problem with "well-placed cruise missile", which 1) violate other countries' sovereign airspace, 2) kill plenty more than the target, 3) bypass the whole trial/judicial process and leave plenty of evidence with our military's fingerprints all over it.

Nothing you suggest or support will deter terrorists or even stop them. I'm not interested in prosecuting them. I want them stopped forever, snuffed out. They welcome death. They know being in our custody is not that bad - they get a Koran, a prayer rug, three Islamic meals a day and excellent healthcare, all the while laughing at all the chaos we put ourselves through, wringing our hands with guilt. Where's the downside for the terrorists? They are willing to die for their cause. I doubt they'd be willing to sacrifice their families for it, which is why we should go after them too. Oh, and before we bury them alive, we should cover them in pig fat and an Israeli flag.

Give 'em a koran & no toilet paper. Decision time Ahmed!
Prayer rug my ass!
Feed 'em beenie weenies 3x a day!
Make the islamic world howl!

Team America ***** Yeah!

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by MRM

US Constitutional protections should apply to US citizens anywhere in the world, and Constitutional obligations should follow the government anywhere in the world.

Ok, let's try this again. Our Const. protections do not and should not apply to foreign terrorists caught abroad and not held on U.S. soil. Why should they get habeus corpus? Since our military is not a law enforcement agency and has no pwer to prosecute criminals, except under military code, why should they be held to the same standards as a local police agency? Are you suggesting we need to mirandize terrorists we capture on the battlefield before interrogating them? Maybe we need to have some William Kunstler or Lynn Stewart-type defense attys. on hand for battlefield interrogations, you know, just so those terrorists' Const. rights aren't violated. Yeah, that will work so well and keep us safe at night.

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

neocons are certainly terrorists, yes. look what they've done to the Constitution. Look at what our own Rick Lee has to say about those captured, in this very thread. those are the same words terrorists use every day.

She looks cute, and really is a puppy at heart, but half lab, half rottweiler, she's not one to fool around with. She can demolish any rawhide product, no matter the size or density, in under an hour. I'm not a cat person.

Cats are allergic to me.

I thought that to be liberal you had to own a cat, must be looking at an out dated manual. All Republicans are not neoconmen, BTW


A very big problem with this SCOTUS decision is it is disregarding established precedent. What is the Latin, Stare Decisis or something like that, already decided.

I do not personally know Justice Kennedy, but if his son, who I knew in HS, is any reflection of the man, which I suspect he is, the Honorable Justice is a self important douchebag who is about 50% as sharp as he thinks he is

[Rikao4]

keeping it simple for myself,
some of you bring flowers to a fight,
I'm bringing a baseball bat,
so, you can scream all day/night ,
NOT FAIR,NOT RIGHT..
you started it, I going finish it.

Rika

[MRM]

The government should have to disclose the people it has in indefinite detention and it should have civilian oversight to make sure there is a good reason for keeping that person locked up forever. Doing this will not harm our WOT one iota.

Any person with his boots on the ground will tell you that the turning point in Afghanastan and Iraq, where the population started to dislike the Americans and supporting or tolerating attacks on Americans came after Abu Grahib. That debacle set us back a hundred years in the WOT and did not result in a single iota of actionable intelligence. Got that? Not one single iota. It's a matter of public record. And in return we inflamed an otherwise favorable populous.

Bringing law and order to the fight doesn't make our attacks any less lethal; it makes our attacks more effective.

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

Yeah, I know that.

I'm pretty sure my contempt for any administration, past, present or future, won't so blind me to the terrorist threat that I want to coddle the terrorists as a form of protesting an administration.

Good guess that you won't be voting for the racist obama

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by MRM

The government should have to disclose the people it has in indefinite detention and it should have civilian oversight to make sure there is a good reason for keeping that person locked up forever.

Translation: al Qaeda, we got your man and he's singing like a canary, so you'd better change your plans and make sure whatever intel we got out of him is no longer of any use to us.

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

Translation: al Qaeda, we got your man and he's singing like a canary, so you'd better change your plans and make sure whatever intel we got out of him is no longer of any use to us.

sure, but that argument only goes for a couple of months
it doesn't take AQ 2-3 years to figure out they have an operative missing

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by svandamme

sure, but that argument only goes for a couple of months
it doesn't take AQ 2-3 years to figure out they have an operative missing

Ok, then we should execute them as soon as their intel value has gone stale.

[svandamme]

Rick Lee is so tough, sometimes he thinks he is John Wayne

[John Wayne voice]
"a day with out blood, is a day without sunshine"
[/JWV]

[MRM]

In WWII the Nazis believed that the French Resistance fighters they captured had intelligence value for about 24 hours. They would try to break them before that. If they couldn't, they figured that anything they got out of them would be outdated because the Resistance would assume their people were compromised and change plans.

Conversly, the Resistance was trained to assume that anyone who was captured was broken immediately, so they automatically went to plan B upon one of them being captured. Therefore, the captured righters had intelligence value for about 24 hours, or as long as it took for work to get out that Raul and Julia went missing.

You think the bad guys don't know when we get one of them? I think they'd notice when Abdul stopped coming into the car bomb factory. Sure, every once in a while we can turn one without the bad guys knowing it, but that guy isn't going to be asking for a habeus hearing. There is simply no logistical problem with giving terrorism detainees a habeus hearing.

The Britts can hold terrorist supects without charges for 28 days before judicial overview, and can petition for longer time upon showing good cause. Somehow I don't trust the government that delivers my mail, that came within a hair of electing Hillary Clinton president, and which can't even count its own people at census time, to be perfect telling which are the good guys and who are the bad ones. If they're bad, there will be proof of it. If not, they guy shouldn't be in jail. 28 days seems like a reasonable to to be able to hold a terrorist suspect without charges before some judicial oversight.