Lib Smear Implodes

[stevepaa]

Originally Posted by cairns

"The root cause of the over reactions to the incident lie with the initial report about an IED being inaccurate. Whoever sent out the first PR statement from the Marines started all of this."

Absolutely amazing....you STILL blame the Marines. If you had a shred of decency or intelligence you'd read Jeff's post above and take it to heart.

But I'm not holding my breath....

pleas do hold you breath with such an inane comment like that, I would prefer you kept your mouth closed.


A US military statement said: "A US marine and 15 civilians were killed yesterday from the blast of a roadside bomb in Haditha. " "Immediately following the bombing, gunmen attacked the convoy with small arms fire. Iraqi army soldiers and marines returned fire, killing eight insurgents and wounding another."


The official version was changed to say that, after the roadside bombing, the 15 civilians had been accidentally shot by marines during a gun fight with insurgents.

[RoninLB]

if I discount truth or fantasy... at least there's a few guys who step forward and have the brass to somewhat defend the mass-media.

no comment on the others

[Danimal16]

Originally Posted by Joeaksa

Please, do not hold back. This is Pelican OT. Tell us how you really feel!

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From the story that Randy posted:

""This is the most important case since Vietnam, if not before," Rooney said. "There's no doubt about it."

He noted the New York Times featured the case on the front page when it was being compared by war critics to the infamous My Lai massacre in Vietnam. But now, with evidence the Haditha accusations were a smear, the story has been relegated to the back pages.

"All the information I get, it comes from the commanders, it comes from people who know what they're talking about," Murtha told reporters at the time.

Murtha's assertions, however, conflicted with results from the military's own investigations. An initial probe by Army Col. G.A. Watt found no indications coalition forces "intentionally targeted, engaged and killed noncombatants." Later, Army Maj. Gen. Aldon Bargewell found no cover-up."

Murtha really needs to get taken to court over this and hope that the Marines that he slandered win.

Sorry,

I'll tone it down.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by jeff Higgins

absolutely. Accross Party Lines. This Is Not A "republican Vs. Democrat" Issue That Should Be Politicized.

As A Side Note, However, I Think It Remains Clear That "left Wingers" Jumped On The Lynching Bandwagon, While "right Wingers" Did Not. "democrat" Is Not Always Synonomous With "left Winger", Nor Is "republican" Synonomous With "right Winger". There Is Way Too Much Cross Breeding To Make Such Generalizations About Parties. So Let's Not Play A Tit For Tat Game Trying To See Our Left Wingers And Raise Us One Right Winger. That Is Not What This Is About.

There Exists A Faction In Our Society That Appears To Firmly Believe Our Military, And The People Who Deploy It Are Evil. That Same Faction Seems To Believe The Terrorists Of Our World Are Not; That They Are Merely Misunderstood. They Give Terrorists Every Break Imaginable; Every Benefit Of The Doubt. In Stark Contrast, They Never Hesitate To Jump On The Bandwagon (often On The Sketchiest Of "evidence") To Accuse, Try, And Convict Our Men. Not In A Court Of Law, But In Their Press. These Folks Tend To Be Of The "liberal" Persuasion; Not Necessarily Of, Or Exclusive To, The Democratic Party.

In Typical Liberal Fashion, They Follow Their Hearts More So Than Their Minds. In Spite Of Their Constant Claims Of Having "open Minds" (especially When Compared To Those Of Conservatives), They Are Unshakeable In Their Beliefs. Beliefs Originating In Their Hearts, Not Their Minds. "facts" That Support Those Heartfelt Beliefs Are Readily Accepted As Such, Regardless Of A Lack Of Supporting Evidence. Real Facts That Contradict Those Heartfelt Beliefs Are Just As Quickly Dismissed, Regardless Of The Evidence Supporting Them.

That Is What We See Playing Out Before Us In This Case. The Liberal Mindset Was Very Quick To Eagerly Accept Their Guilt, Long Before Any Evidence Of Any Substance Came To Light. Now That The Evidence Has Been Collected, Now That It Has Been Presented In Court And Found To Be Either Lacking, Non-existant, Or Outright False, The Liberal Mind Either Ignores Or Rejects That Evidence. It Does Not Fit With Their Heartfelt Beliefs That Our Military Men Are Inherently Evil. The "open" Liberal Mind Simply Cannot Digest That. The Liberal Personna Cannot Admit It Was Wrong About Such A Matter. Everyone In Their Liberal Circles Just knows These Things, After All. It Really Is A Bizarre Way To Digest Facts And Data, And It Is Pretty Much The Provence Of The Liberal. Conservatives Tend To Weigh Facts And Data before Arriving At A Conclusion. Liberals Arrive At A Conclusion, In Their Hearts, And Then Looks For "facts" And "data" To Support It, Picking And Choosing Along The Way.

Bingo!

[dipso]

Originally Posted by Flatbutt1

Having the charges dropped doesn't mean it DID happen either.

No, but photographs, video and eyewitness' usually does.
You probably think Oj is innocent too.

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by rcecale

Here's a link to another version of the article.

This should play out quite interestingly, IMHO.

Haditha Marine prepares to sue Murtha over smear


Randy

Good. I hope the devil dog can extract a pound of flesh from murtha's ass.

[Danimal16]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

Good. I hope the devil dog can extract a pound of flesh from murtha's ass.

Murtha should know better!! He should have waited for the investigation to run its course. It really bugs me that a Marine O6 would not have the wearwithall or the patience to allow these devil dogs their constitutional protections! His record indicates that he has had the experience to know the impacts of such preliminary statements. It hurt the Corps and he has not appoligized for this terrible lack of judgement or leadership. For that he is a POS. Until such a time that he acknowledges his damage to these men and the Corps he will remain a POS. His past performance, record or reputation do not answer the mail, he owes these men for what he put them through. And until such a time as he acknowledges that he is a POS.

And the above rant is the main reason that we need real beer in Ramadi!

[FOG]

Originally Posted by Danimal16

Murtha should know better!! He should have waited for the investigation to run its course. It really bugs me that a Marine O6 would not have the wearwithall or the patience to allow these devil dogs their constitutional protections! His record indicates that he has had the experience to know the impacts of such preliminary statements. It hurt the Corps and he has not appoligized for this terrible lack of judgement or leadership. For that he is a POS. Until such a time that he acknowledges his damage to these men and the Corps he will remain a POS. His past performance, record or reputation do not answer the mail, he owes these men for what he put them through. And until such a time as he acknowledges that he is a POS.

And the above rant is the main reason that we need real beer in Ramadi!

DAnimal,

There are many who firmly believe that Rep. Murtha is not accurately called a Marine or a former Marine.

A Sea Bee should know the more accurate description is EX Marine.

I am shocked that a Sea Bee hasn’t been locate the adult beverages.

S/F, FOG

[Danimal16]

Originally Posted by FOG

DAnimal,

There are many who firmly believe that Rep. Murtha is not accurately called a Marine or a former Marine.

A Sea Bee should know the more accurate description is EX Marine.

I am shocked that a Sea Bee hasn’t been locate the adult beverages.

S/F, FOG

FOG,

From what I can find out Murtha did serve with honor. But again, he may have had a brain fart on this one, who knows. All he can do is get things right with those devil dogs. I recommend he heat up the oven as crow goes down easier when you heat it up.

As for the beer, this is a war like no other, it is he11!!! We know the Kurds have some up north but the darn army had first dibs. The mission is ardous, and we need to find other ways to suck up to the soldiers. Maybe we should build them a club??? Thats it, we build them a club and the beer will show up.

Also, everytime we get the darn still running the scavangers steer our copper coils!!! Those guys are good, but when we told the Marines about our plight and how the thefts were inhibiting production they increased the patrols. This solved the bad guys messing with the still but we needed cooper tubing.

The Air Force said they would help but we needed to fill out a form. So we did.

We are considering other measures but the G2 said that we can't discuss that on PPOT as it is classified and AQI monitors this net.

It is a screwed up war, no copper, no club, no beer! But by God we are not dismayed as there is hope. We found a beer bottle opener in the desert.

(It was a long hot day yesterday and it is either PPOT in the morning or a beer)

[Danimal16]

Originally Posted by FOG

DAnimal,

There are many who firmly believe that Rep. Murtha is not accurately called a Marine or a former Marine.

A Sea Bee should know the more accurate description is EX Marine.

S/F, FOG

Fog,

Your right about the use of the term EX Marine. My dad was a three war USMC veteren First Sergeant. Got your meaning and concur. Murtha sure hurt those guys.

[FOG]

DAnimal,

Maybe nosing around TQ and Al Asad will reduce the hell a little bit… Best I can do open source to help with location. The SOF and CAG bubbas also have access on occasion.

On Murhta this appears to be normal conduct.

Stay safe.

S/F, FOG

[Mule]

What is colleteral damage exactly?