Tiger Woods

F350Lawman · 06-15-2008, 06:55 AM

Jeeze...I know he's the greatest golfer in the world, but this BS with his injured knee. He is freakin' golfing. He's walking a course, at a moderate pace while somene CARRIES HIS CLUBS, REFRESHMENTS AND SNACKS! I have walked courses w/ 70+ year old men who have ailments that make Tigers knee look like a hang-nail! Guys with diabtes, bum tickers, cancer survivors..you name it and this picture of health, workoutaholic, Sure it's great that throughout the injury he still mainatins his swing but somehowTiger Woods is defying the thresholds of human endurance fro pain and suffering..what the f???

He's not carrying and injured comrade while nursing bullet wounds, or even playing RB in the NFL, Forward in the NHL or Center in the NBA with serious injury . How many times have we seen the aformentioned positions in MUCH more demanding "sports" play with equal and often much greater injuries w/o SO MUCH fanfare??

How about this new ad with Earl Woods quote (IIRC) "I guarantee you'll never find a person who's menatlly tougher then Tiger". Sure he is mentally tough as a COMPETITOR..but lets not make him out to be the mentally toughest person on the planet. I'll take the surviving POWs, Navy Seals, kids who battle through horrible illness, people who survive horrible upbringings and succeed, most guys who get punched and kicked for a living, etc., etc.

I don't blame Tiger, but his media is just so over the top w/ everything (not just Tiger) it makes me sick. When they see true heroism and report it, it gets watered down because the have cried wolf SO MANY times.

RANT OFF

TerryH · TerryH's Garage

... so not a Tiger fan I take it? lol

Hard to say how much his knee hurts, because it's his knee and not ours. To play at that level with any injury, especially a knee, it pretty newsworthy. Hey the hype is part of sport. Without hype there would be no sports hero's. After all, they are just men playing childrens games.

mattdavis11 · 06-15-2008, 07:03 AM

I blame it on El Dick Woods. He's the one answering questions. Why not just say, "it's 100% and won't be an issue, next". Maybe it's because he's banking an excuse when he gets beat.

Wickd89 · 06-15-2008, 07:23 AM

Have you ever played 4-5 rounds in a row?
In the old days, or even in HS or college, you might play two rounds in one day.
And may I add, walk a hilly course like these...Its even tough on the "golf carts."

It is just as demanding as baseball; where you stand around for 95% of the game (game I love), because "that" is the hard part. To be ready for those moments where the game demands your full attention.

How about the fat-a$$es in Nascar. Come on...;-)

Tiger is the best. Not a faker. Does not have to be. Just incredible.
2 eagles in the back 9 to take the lead in the US Open -F'n great!!

pwd72s · 06-15-2008, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Wickd89

Have you ever played 4-5 rounds in a row?
In the old days, or even in HS or college, you might play two rounds in one day.
And may I add, walk a hilly course like these...Its even tough on the "golf carts."

It is just as demanding as baseball; where you stand around for 95% of the game (game I love), because "that" is the hard part. To be ready for those moments where the game demands your full attention.

How about the fat-a$$es in Nascar. Come on...;-)

Tiger is the best. Not a faker. Does not have to be. Just incredible.
2 eagles in the back 9 to take the lead in the US Open -F'n great!!

I agree...except for the Nascar comment. Another endurance game is pool...go to a tournament that lasts all day, 2-3 days in a row. Not that I'm saying these folks are in the same shape as Tiger, but it's a long haul and mentally tough to keep up the concentration for that long.

2.7RACER · 06-15-2008, 07:45 AM

F350lawman,
Your comments have shown you to lack any understanding of Tiger's performance yesterday.
Most of us learned as children to keep our mouth shut unless we had something positive to say.
Whatever your motivation, your comments are unnecessary, ill mannered, and serve to expose you who you are.

9dreizig · 06-15-2008, 07:52 AM

What you are missing is that golf like no other sport/skill is muscle memory huge amounts of precision that is repeated over and over. Have you ever had a knee surgery ? It doesn't take much to get that machine out of alignment. I've had a few and am amazed that he's back at that level so soon.. did you notice he's limping ? The guy is incredible!

HardDrive · 06-15-2008, 08:55 AM

I find the stories of his physical ailments rather laughable as well, but it should not diminish what a great competitor he is. His performance on the course was impressive. I don't care about golf, but I can appreciate tenacity.

the · 06-15-2008, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Wickd89

It is just as demanding as baseball; where you stand around for 95% of the game (game I love), because "that" is the hard part. To be ready for those moments where the game demands your full attention.

My 10 y.o. son is an All-Star baseball player (pitcher/middle infielder), and a tournament golfer. He'll tell you golf is 10x more demanding, physically and mentally. But esp. mentally.

Those that don't play golf don't understand it, because it looks so easy when you watch good players play. What Tiger has accomplished is really incredible. To put yourself in a class of your own, with all of those other incredible PGA golfers, is rarely done. And then to back it up, year after year, against all comers, is really something.

I don't think his knee injury is being over-blown. The right knee takes quite a bit of twisting and torque during a swing, and he's not faking the sharp pain that he's getting on some swings. That, plus walking 20+ miles over 4 days, while competing on an incredibly difficult course, is a legit story. Esp. after what he did on the last 5 holes yesterday to take the lead. Add it all together, and it's been one of the most compelling tournaments in recent history.

Seahawk · 06-15-2008, 09:45 AM

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My 10 y.o. son is an All-Star baseball player (pitcher/middle infielder), and a tournament golfer. He'll tell you golf is 10x more demanding, physically and mentally. But esp. mentally.

Those that don't play golf don't understand it, because it looks so easy when you watch good players play. What Tiger has accomplished is really incredible. To put yourself in a class of your own, with all of those other incredible PGA golfers, is rarely done. And then to back it up, year after year, against all comers, is really something.

I don't think his knee injury is being over-blown. The right knee takes quite a bit of twisting and torque during a swing, and he's not faking the sharp pain that he's getting on some swings. That, plus walking 20+ miles over 4 days, while competing on an incredibly difficult course, is a legit story. Esp. after what he did on the last 5 holes yesterday to take the lead. Add it all together, and it's been one of the most compelling tournaments in recent history.

Which I will watch because I really enjoy watching competition at the Majors: I never watch golf otherwise. I echo your son's comments, btw. I played college baseball and find the mental and physical requirements of golf more difficult.

The nature of baseball, see the ball, hit the ball; see the ball, catch the ball, are so much more natural to me than translating fine muscle control into hitting a golf ball in the direction desired at the proper distance with the correct loft and spin.

I know Tiger's not charging a machine gun nest, but it is great theater

nostatic · nostatic's Garage

when the haters can smack it 300 yards down the center of the fairway, come talk to me...

I remember back in college when I was playing somewhat regularly my then g/f said she wanted to learn to play. I took her to the range and started to show her the basics of the grip and stance, etc. Her comment was, "the ball is sitting still, how hard can it be?" She then proceeded to whiff about 20 times and was afraid to ground the club. When she finally did make contact it went about 20 feet.

She never said it was easy after that...

I've played almost every sport and have had decent success because I was born to the right father who had serious skills (had minor league offers to pitch for St. Louis and I think Cincinnati after the war, but turned them down). With most sports I could make up for lack of technical skills and practice with "hustle" and a deep understanding of the game leading to anticipation. Not so with golf. The most insidious, difficult, subtle game I'm ever played.

mattdavis11 · 06-15-2008, 01:02 PM

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when the haters can smack it 300 yards down the center of the fairway, come talk to me....

How would you like that, with a cut or a draw? I hope you don't mind if I use a persimmon driver.

Stick a fork in Tiger, he's done.

Tobra · Tobra's Garage

You can see the problems the knee is creating with his swing, he needs to get it straightened out or he will ruin his back.

Golf is not challenging? Golf is the only sport I ever played that after a week of practice, I was not better than almost everybody I knew. Great speed and freaky hand-eye coordination. I am relatively certain my mother still has the highest motor ability of any high school girl in Nebraska, 50 years later. Good genes are nice to have

F350Lawman · 02:11 PM

7RACER F350lawman,
Your comments have shown you to lack any understanding of Tiger's performance yesterday.
Most of us learned as children to keep our mouth shut unless we had something positive to say.
Whatever your motivation, your comments are unnecessary, ill mannered, and serve to expose you who you are.

Hey 7RACER, are you telling me to shut my mouth because I dared question the endless attention Tiger's knee got? I'm ill-mannered to knock the COMMENTARY regarding his injury? I golf and I don't doubt Tiger's greatness. Did I insult him or call him names? Did I say HE caused this BS to go on? Did I say he faked it? No, in fact I wrote : "I don't blame Tiger" . I don't question his performance it is spectacular as always.

My motivation????...oh I get it...."MY MOTIVATION" it "SHOWS WHAT TYPE OF PERSON I AM". Next time Go ahead have the balls to say what you think and drop the innuendo. PM me and I'll give you my cell # if you want to continue this discussion, cause I 'd be really interested in hearing what making negative comments about the way COMMENTATORS have treated Tiger's injury says about me.

Again, I'll type slower this time...I guess you weren't listening to all the sports shows for the last 2 days. They made it sound like he took multiple rounds to the chest, fought the enemy in hand to hand combat and carried his wounded comrades across the desert on his belly with 1/2 a canteen of water and no rations! Heck, I don't even need to go to that extreme for an example. I just played football this past winter w/ a sheet metal worker who was hurt during a game and went to work for 3 weeks after tearing 2 ligaments in his knee before finally succumbing and getting surgery. So forgive me if I get excited about any pro-golfer (God given talent aside)playing after having a knee repaired and rehabbed?? I guess the world you and those reporters live in is so soft that golfing after an medically treated and rehabbed injury is hardcore to you. Don't you watch football, every year numerous players have competed with broken bones, separated shoulders, dislocated this and damged that. I lost count of how many boxers I have seen break a hand and keep punching for many rounds. Don't even get me started with Pro Rodeo.... I think I have seen some of those guys compete while dead

What's the point? We see much greater diplays of toughness in sports with regularity, with much less fanfare, that's all.

You can also spare me the sanctimonious "my mommy told me don't say anything if it aint' positive crap". There wouldn't be an internet, newspapers, TV sports or news or much else of anything if we all just said "positive" things. Gee fellas, next time if I ask you for an opinion regarding a mechanic, the dealership I am buying a car from, or product I am considering .... don't say anything unless it's positive. This way we will all just say nice things about each other and 7RACER can go on living without any negativity in his life. What are you 10 years old? I guess I'll be hearing "sticks and stones...." next.

As far as someone else's comments about golfing 4-5 days in a row, I appreciate the long hours, endless practice, mental pressure that these pro golfers endure. Having golfed for 20+ years I know how hard it is. So yes, I have golfed 4-5 days in a row... and I call it a vacation.

By the way on the 23, 24 and 25th of this month I will be on vacation golfing. ...I better rest up and hope my recently healed hamstring tear can take it.

In all seriousness, obviously I have none of the mental pressure (and that's the hardest part of the game) that a pro-golfer does but they're not triathletes either. Any person who is in sound physical shape and of a reasonable age should be able to walk WITH clubs. Without clubs it's even easier.

I do agree with baseball being a RELATIVELY easy sport on the body (not pitchers or catchers though). Baseball is tough due to season length and travel IMO. NASCAR may not require the usual physical prowess we see in other athletes, but the mental stress fatigue, heat and concentration required are brutal. Someone mentioned competitve pool, I kinda lump, pool, bowling and cards together....not super physical but if there is big $$$s on the line over several long days, of course they can also be very demanding in their own way.

P.S. The course Tiger is playing is according to the commentators, relatively flat and Weatherunderground says it is 70 F with 68% humidity today.

pwd72s · 06-15-2008, 03:09 PM

F-350? Maybe I mentioned pool because I was at a local tournament near here yesterday.

I chatted with a guy born in 1921 who was also there. Not once did he mouth off suggesting that the players were wimps because of their chosen game. He was too classy for that. He even autographed his recently published book for me....

Everybody who is a regular at this pool hall knows who the toughest guy there is, the second this man walks in. He's proven it.

Maybe you'd like to buy a copy? I'd like to see it on the non-fiction best sellers list.

"Easy Company Soldier"
by Sgt. Don Malarkey with Bob Welch

widgeon13 · 06-15-2008, 03:20 PM

Just flew back from San Diego earlier today, spent three days at Torrey Pines. I'm not a big Tiger fan but he can hit some unbelieveable shots, some luck involved but a lot of skill. How many guys do you know who have had two eagles in the same round. He's something else!

gassy · 06-15-2008, 05:05 PM

What a finish...damn he's good. Rocco's toast tomorrow.

84porsche · 84porsche's Garage

Tiger is one heck of a golfer and just had an a amazing game to send the US Open to another round. GO TIGER.

And NASCAR takes some discipline as well. Dale Jr had to save enough fuel today by cutting engine power on and off several times under a yellow flag in order to pull off the win.

the · 06-15-2008, 05:16 PM

The man is not human!

To birdie that, after hitting bunker then thick rough, wow. Talk about a pressure putt! Unreal.

TerryH · TerryH's Garage

How about that little Tiger tantrum? Beating his club into the ground and throwing it at the bag on 18. Surprised he didn't let go with some expletives that he is famous for. Nothing wrong with showing some emotion, but it seems like he's over the top on both sides. He is either swearing, throwing, or pumping his fists. Millions of kids worldwide want to be like him. He could be better.

I enjoy watching Tiger, but I was pulling for Rocco. It's probably his last real chance. Tiger will win many more majors.