No, Sharpton is a racist with different stripes.

He went to my alma mater (I didn't even know who he was before last year), but I saw some interviews. David Girard is a helluva QB and a class act all the way. Wish more pro athletes had his character and can't believe the Panthers let him get away :)

Ask Rush Limbaugh. My buddy is a jet pilot. Most of them are white too. Get Al Sharpton on the phone. We're getting to the bottom of this. Oh, and while watching the NBA finals, I didn't see 1 Viet Namese either!

Are you an affirmative action guy?

It isn't true that only black NFL player get in trouble. The reason you think that is they only report the color of the player when he is black. While it is true that Pacman is a brutal thug who should live the rest of his life in jail and he is black, one has nothing to do with the other. Making a connection between Pacman, his race and crimes serves no purpose other than to give the Byrons of this world one more enecdote with which to buttres their arguments.

Huh? I don't want to ruin your bowl of corn flakes but blacks are imprisoned at roughly 9 times the rate of whites and commit over 40% of the crime.

http://www.vdare.com/Sailer/050213_mapping.htm

http://www.newsnet14.com/2003/12/21/crime-statistics-and-race/

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0DXK/is_24_18/ai_82770922

Statistics can prove just about anything you want them to Mule. Do YOU think it's because of their "black skin" or potentially other factors (social/economic status, education, etc.)? Just curious. I don't associate with the "riff raff" regardless of race, and for the most part all of the black people that I've been around in my lifetime ("true" friends and casual acquaintances) have been no different than myself. If you WANT to see race...you will :)

Huh? Nice statement. I didn't bring up the subject. I was correcting a previous statement quoted in my post. The numbers stand.

Who cares? Imus is lame.

Nice,

Stats from White Supremisct sites, violent crimes specifically, and I don't know what the last one is trying to say.

You'll find they types of crimes vary among races.

Blacks will have a higher percentage of violence based crimes while whites will have a much higher rate of property and white collar crimes. I'm sure Ken Lays victims are OK with it since he did not use a gun.

Coupled with the fact that minorities get profiled, ie; cars searched at 3x's the rate of whites, your going to have a higher incident of arrests for that group.

Kurt,

You surprise me here.

Your research is usually much more thorough than this.

Go back and look at total crime tables and see the difference in the types of crimes committed.

That will let you start to draw some more accurate conclusions of the socio economic factors that affect certain class structures propensity for specific criminal activity.

???

Can you post the crime table you are referring too?

I don't think I am drawing any conclusions, just showing the skewed ratio for homicides. I admit I didn't look at an aggregate of "all crimes", but would appreciate looking at such a table!

I have no problem admitting my wrongness, if that is the case. :)

Best,

If one looks at "imprisonment" as a measure of "all crimes committed" (I know it's an imperfect measure, as not everyone that commits a crime goes to jail) a similar disproportion is seen as shown in the homicide statistics, FWIW.

edit: The below data is also dated (2001), but I think it may be safe to assume the general situation expressed by the numbers has not changed significantly?

Again, I am not attempting to draw conclusions or make judgments. This data is also from the DoJ.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm#prevalence

Kurt,

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_43.html

Violent crimes are scary for blacks.

Couple of interesting things. Check out the Alcohol related offenses and gambling.

There are definitely environmental/socio economic factors in play here.

End of the day there are people of all races that suck and there are people of all races that do not suck.

I view Imus comment as supporting a lot of the stereotypes that people have.

You ever hear that one, "All Poodles are dogs, but not all dogs are Poodles"

IMHO Imus and those that use those kinds of examples are trying to say "Some criminals are Black therefore Blacks are criminals".

1 of every 9 black males in his twenties in the United States is either incarcerated or has been incarcerated.

This is from the US department of Justice: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/prisons.htm
Summary findings

On June 30, 2007 —

At midyear 2007 there were 4,618 black male sentenced prisoners per 100,000 black males in the United States, compared to 1,747 Hispanic male sentenced prisoners per 100,000 Hispanic males and 773 white male sentenced prisoners per 100,000 white males.

That means that a black male is SIX times as likely to be in prison or jail than a white male. The outrage from the black community should be focused on that fact and should be trying to do something about that, not crying and trying to extort money every time someone points out the obvious. What Imus said is not politically correct and was a stupid thing to say, but it was based on fact.

BTW, Sharpton and Jessie Jackson can bite me. Same goes for any racist who supports them and uses this type of thing for their own benefit. They are worse than any bigot redneck.

I generally agree with all that you have said above!

As I stated very strongly in my first post, I don't think color of skin is the determinant! I did not and would not make that judgment.

But the data do show that the ratio of crimes committed by race, at least as it relates to actual imprisonment, are not proportionate to the population, as you originally claimed. That's all I was trying to express. :)

Now where did I go wrong in my research? :)

Best,

Your link from the FBI showing "arrests" seems to generally support my initial argument against proportional distribution:

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_43.html

FWIW.

Best,

This is exactly why what he said is so dangerous.

It perpetuates stereotypes.

There are and have been ongoing debates re the skewed percentages of prison population.

Fact: Blacks are imprisoned at a higher rate that whites for the same offenses.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/html/scscf04/tables/scs04205tab.htm

There may be justification for it, a higher repeat offender rate etc.. and there may be other reasons.

A high repeat offender rate supports crime rate is a function of a percentage of race. In other words if you have higher crime rate in the black population as a result of higher repeat offender rate then that supports that there are less black criminals than the numbers alone would indicate.

To form an opinion on a soundbite is ridiculous.

I want to run with this one a bit...

I think that what we're seeing is that people who are brutal thugs inherently, are finding that they can use something like high school/college/NFL football as a way to get rich and famous by being the brutal brainless thug that they would be anyways. The other option is joining a gang. It's not a black/white thing, it's a society supporting the drafting of these maniacs for their Sunday afternoon entertainment.


There have been numerous movies/shows about future game shows being based around extremely violent sports (Deathrace 2000, Rollerball, Running Man)...the concept that society will become some messed up that watching people nearly murder each other is now good family entertainment...


Hmmm...seems like we reached that point. What's popular now? Football players that can destroy a club and kill people, rappers that get in shootouts, and MMA fighting where blood flows freely, and the brutality is glorified. Even our baseball players are monsters now.

Yup...our society has actually reached that point that we joked about/feared in early visions of a rotten future...

Actually it does support proportional distribution.

Crime is based more on opportunity to commit.

You are of the position, based on the numbers, that blacks are more violent than whites.

So following that logic I say that whites are less trustworthy than blacks because their rate of fraud arrests is 3x's higher. Personally I think that whites should not be allowed to drive, they are drunks, their rate of DWI's is 10x's higher.

I just don't see that in the numbers. :confused:

As I have said at least a few times now, I am not making any judgments or drawing any conclusions. I think I have stressed this and have been extremely clear in this regard.