Job ads, are you kidding me?

[lendaddy]

I found this one just browsing. I wouldn't have the stones.

Will be leading 2nd shift powder coating teams. Will be supervising employees as well as production. The main job duties will be working on the paint line - spraying, loading, unloading and packaging the product. They will also be leading a team of about 6-10 people total. This person will be looking at areas of improvement, productivity and quality (just to name a few.) He/She will also work with management.Must be drug free and take pre-employment test. Candidates must have powder coating and leadership experience. Must have good work history. All experience must be listed on resume to be considered for position.




* Location: Grand Rapids, MI
* Compensation: $10.00

Managing 6-10 people in a mfg. setting for $10/HR?????? I start my part time grunts at $9.50. Unreal.

[MRM]

No, I think the ad reads that the job pays a flat fee of ten bucks for the whole thing. Now you know why so many employers cry that they can't get legal Americans to do their work?

[gtc]

Is the job market in Michigan really that bad?
My company recently lost one of our two forklift operators. They retitled the position from Material Handler to Yard Attendant so they could lower the wage. Now, suprise suprise, they can't seem to keep anyone for more than a month or two.

[Rick Lee]

They're paying $10 an hour at the Chevron by my house, just to run the cash register.

[LeeH]

I do bookkeeping work and see the same thing.

They want 5 years experience, expert in all accounting functions, degree in accounting, etc, etc... paying $12/hr. Funny thing is these ads run over and over again - sometimes the rate creeps up, sometimes it doesn't.

[Rick Lee]

I saw a funny one on Craigslist about a year ago. They wanted a lawyer who was licensed in DC to do German document translation and it had to be in the law firm's downtown office.....for $40 per hour. I emailed the lady and said I could easily do that job from home without a law degree, but would like to know where I could hire a lawyer for $40 per hour. No response.

[VaSteve]

If that's CL, I think many folks don't fill it out all the way.

[peppy]

I pay $4.25 an hour for employees under 20.

[speeder]

You cannot get an illegal Mexican from the side of the road to dig a ditch or mow your lawn for less than $15 hr. cash in L.A. I schit you not.

[lendaddy]

Originally Posted by peppy

I pay $4.25 an hour for employees under 20.

To do what?

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

They're paying $10 an hour at the Chevron by my house, just to run the cash register.

Yea, but that is a High risk job isn't

[peppy]

Basically they stand around and pi$$ me off. It is a fast food restaurant.

[DavidB911]

I've been looking for a substantial job in the area and I have come across some ads like the ones you mention (mainly the Toledo area). These companies want you to run the whole place for $10/hour. What you can't design, manufacture, do quality control and shipping by yourself for $10/hour?? Oh and you also need 25+ years experience in the field too.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Originally Posted by peppy

Basically they stand around and pi$$ me off. It is a fast food restaurant.

You get what you pay for.

Not telling you how to run your business, but in general I find if you treat people like professionals and compensate them like professionals, they'll act like professionals. If you treat people like they're worthless, compensate them like they're worthless, they'll be worthless.

Yes, there is a percentage that will "slack", but in general those are my observations. Have you stopped to consider that possibly you're creating a "self-fulfilling prophecy" here?

Just my $0.02. Flame away.

[Jims5543]

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile

You get what you pay for.

Not telling you how to run your business, but in general I find if you treat people like professionals and compensate them like professionals, they'll act like professionals. If you treat people like they're worthless, compensate them like they're worthless, they'll be worthless.

Yes, there is a percentage that will "slack", but in general those are my observations. Have you stopped to consider that possibly you're creating a "self-fulfilling prophecy" here?

Just my $0.02. Flame away.

My wifes cousin owns a Oil Change business, he was crying to me he cannot leave the place, he has to close it down if he goes out of town. I suggested a well paid manager that is accountable for the places performance.

He told me he tried that and it did not work out. I come to find out he was paying the guy $9 an hour.

You get what you pay for.

[teenerted1]

Originally Posted by peppy

I pay $4.25 an hour for employees under 20.

you might be in violation of state law there in NC
http://www.osp.state.nc.us/hr/memos/min%20wage.pdf
STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA
OFFICE OF STATE PERSONNEL
1331 MAIL SERVICE CENTER
116 WEST JONES STREET
RALEIGH, NC 27699-1331
MICHAEL F. EASLEY THOMAS H. WRIGHT
GOVERNOR STATE PERSONNEL DIRECTOR
Director's Office Phone: 919-733-7108 Fax: 919-715-9750
An Equal Opportunity Employer
January 12, 2007
Memorandum
TO: All Agency and University HR Directors
FROM: Thomas H. Wright
State Personnel Director
SUBJECT: Minimum Wage
As a reminder, the State’s minimum wage rate changed to $6.15 per hour effective
January 1, 2007. While permanent state employees are already paid above that hourly rate,
please be reminded that the new rate must be paid to temporary or seasonal employees.
If changes occur to the Federal minimum wage, state law requires the state rate to change
accordingly.

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by Jim Cesiro

My wifes cousin owns a Oil Change business, he was crying to me he cannot leave the place, he has to close it down if he goes out of town. I suggested a well paid manager that is accountable for the places performance.

He told me he tried that and it did not work out. I come to find out he was paying the guy $9 an hour.

You get what you pay for.

And even if you can get someone to work for below prevailing wage, you run a high risk of employee theft. I've seen it many times. It's especially common in a service business where a bartender, landscaper, car detailer, whatever, can cut a break for a customer and make a larger tip or take on side work and get paid in cash. In fact, I'm having my wife's Mini's windows tinted on Thurs. with a house call. I wouldn't be surprised if the guy would do my 993 too for a steep discount in cash and then not report it to the boss.

[cgarr]

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile

You get what you pay for.

Not telling you how to run your business, but in general I find if you treat people like professionals and compensate them like professionals, they'll act like professionals. If you treat people like they're worthless, compensate them like they're worthless, they'll be worthless.

Yes, there is a percentage that will "slack", but in general those are my observations. Have you stopped to consider that possibly you're creating a "self-fulfilling prophecy" here?

Just my $0.02. Flame away.

I disagree: Pay is not a motivator, they are either going to work or not regardless of the pay, Oh yea, when we pass out the increases there is a slight bump in work for about a week, I myself would not change the way I work based on the pay I get but then I keep my boss on his toes, When I started I told him I will never ask for a raise, you will know when I leave that I am not paid enough, but it does not change the way I work!

[lendaddy]

Originally Posted by cgarr

I disagree: Pay is not a motivator, they are either going to work or not regardless of the pay, Oh yea, when we pass out the increases there is a slight bump in work for about a week, I myself would not change the way I work based on the pay I get but then I keep my boss on his toes, When I started I told him I will never ask for a raise, you will know when I leave that I am not paid enough, but it does not change the way I work!

I agree and disagree.

Pay is not a motivator I agree. What I mean is that people will not put out more if you pay them more.....it just doesn't work that way.

but..

There is a threshold that quality people will not work for. In other words a fairly intelligent, fairly hardworking guy is intelligent enough to know he can make a lot more than $4.25 an hour and won't even fill out your app. You troll the bottom you catch suckers

[KFC911]

Pay is not necessarily a motivator, but you do tend to get what you pay for

edited: Lendaddy beat me to it...