What will kill the U.S.A.?

[nostatic]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

When coupled with its' massive strategic nuclear arsenal, it seems assured that the US will remain immune to the specter of invasion, the primary historical cause of the downfall of empire.

that would be fine if we were in the 18th century. Hell, even the 20th century. But we're not. And that is part of the problem.

[dipso]

China.

http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/99496.pdf

We have gone from the largest creditor nation the world has ever seen, to the worlds largest debtor nation the world has ever seen. China holds our debt. Others do too, but you know those sneaky reds.

The tax rebate check, an obvious give away to China. Considering nobody is rushing out to spend it on American made goods. If they can even find one.

The fannie and freddie bailout is another give away to China. Guess who buys the treasury securitys from fannie and freddie.

We are being taxed and then the money is being shipped overseas, not put back into our own infrastructure/economy.

We are sinking fast. The Republican mantra of "privatize the profits, socialize the losses" is the final nail.

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by nostatic

that would be fine if we were in the 18th century. Hell, even the 20th century. But we're not. And that is part of the problem.

Having the preeminent military on earth has been an effective means to ensure empire throughout the history of mankind.

Nothing magical happend on 1 Jan 2000 to change that. Nothing at all. It is more true today than ever IMO.

[scottmandue]

Our can't do attitude and pretending that old technology is going to save us.

i.e. our inability to challenge ourself and change.

[MOMO3.2]

Poste by Nostatic

Imperialism is an outgrowth of hubris.

There is a prevailing belief that the "American way" is superior to all others, and of course the world should fall in line. We also have become lazy and sloppy. There is an expectation that we are #1 and will always remain that way. The world owes us (witness the "remember WW2" comments to Europeans), and we want everything now and for half off.

We do not value other cultures and assume that everyone wants to be just like us. Work ethic is an oxymoron, and personal responsibility is a fantasy. In general, we do not respect others. The response to that is generally, "respect must be earned," but few in this generation have done much to "earn" anything.

Teachers are insulted and looked down upon, artists are derided and marginalized, and politicians are morally bankrupt. But its ok because we're the USA and we're number one. Oh, Walmart is having a sale!!!

Todd:

You often make very profound statements. I particularly agree with what you say in the first and third paragraphs. However, I think most cultures are guilty of thinking their way is superior to all others. In my experience, American citizens are middle of the road offenders at most on this point

Perhaps the root of our "decline" in America is that we lack a common set of beliefs and ideals that the overwhelming majority of Americans are willing to sacrifice or even die for. Without these beliefs or ideals (and I am NOT referring to religion), there is no "greater good". It all comes down to individuals, not Americans.

When the knee jerk reaction to the question "what are you" of a huge number of our citizens is not "American" first, we are well and truly screwed.

MIke

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by dipso

We are sinking fast. The Republican mantra of "privatize the profits, socialize the losses" is the final nail.

If there is a 'final nail' it will be the leftist mantra of "A free lunch for all."

[Dottore]

Originally Posted by dipso

China.

My brother—who lives in LA—just married a girl from Shanghai.

Said he was hedging his bets.

[Dottore]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

Having the preeminent military on earth has been an effective means to ensure empire throughout the history of mankind.

Todd makes the point above that times have changed. Historically empires used their military to plunder their enemies for the good of the empire.

That's harder to do today. The world has become a global community. Today the US military is just one more cost for the US taxpayer to absorb.

[the]

Originally Posted by nostatic

that would be fine if we were in the 18th century. Hell, even the 20th century. But we're not. And that is part of the problem.

Agree 100%. The takeover of our country is not going to be by bomb, tanks or soldiers.

There are other ways to obtain the keys to the kingdom, and it's already underway.

[Drdogface]

Damn good question and lots of good answers. Mine are:


Political Correctness
Illegal immigration
Foreign entanglements...what the lefties call imperialism but isn't
Liberalism and resultant entitlements

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by beygon
what Is Killing The U.s.a.? What Will Kill The U.s.a.?

illegal Immigration And The Liberal Mindset

Add socialism, PC, lazy kids, people always blaming others for for literally everything instead of taking responsibility for their own actions & foreigners who keep trying to tell us what they think we should do, almost left out video games & MTV

The tax rebate check, an obvious give away to China. Considering nobody is rushing out to spend it on American made goods. If they can even find one.

So your skate boards aren't US made??? Mine are, as are my BMX bikes

Can't forget this guy

[Rikao4]

No specter of Invasion..
Snipe, their thru the fence and dancing in the compound.
And for all our might and bombs, we don't do scheisse.

Rika

[azasadny]

Read "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand. I consider the book to be prophetic...

[Joeaksa]

Liberals. We were made up of pioneers in the early days and they forged ahead making this country what it is now. They had kids and half of the kids were "go getters" and the other half were wimp liberals. Fast forward a couple of generations and the "go getters" are pushing forwards and getting killed faster than the wimp brothers and sisters.

Eventually the wimp liberals come into power as they vote the "go getters" out. This is not far from happening. Everytime we get a "Jimmy Carter or Slick Willy" into the office they mess things up for years so a conservative comes in and gets things worked out, then the wimp libs think that they can take over again and it happens.

Its a viscious cycle and eventually those of us who take chances and get ahead in life will be out numbered by the wimps who want the govt to do everything for them. Like Obama, they want to talk with the terrorists instead of killing them. They do not understand talk, they think that talking is for pussies. They understand violence and power and the more you talk, the more they plot to kill you...

There, thats whats happened to America and how we will fall to the same level that the UK and France will be shortly.

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by azasadny

Read "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand. I consider the book to be prophetic...

Except for the Bible, this book is rated the #1 book that influenced people in many surveys.

This book nails what I wrote above... and what we will become if we do not wake up!

[RWebb]

First, it isn't clear that the US _is_ an empire. IF it is, then we have a very elastic definition going on.

Then you'd have to decide what aspects of the term "Empire" would have to reach what level to answer your question.

e.g. suppose we wind up sharing the planet with China and India - which may well happen - give or take a chunk for Europe and maybe Japan. What would your answer be then?

But for a quick response, I'll say right wing nutballs. They have been proliferating lately and are clearly over-grazing their habitat. If they can't regulate themselves, we will have to call in Terminex (or Roto-Rooter).

[azasadny]

Joe,
That is certainly true for me. I can ignore the atheistic rants in her book, but the rest is spot-on, 100% prophecy...

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by Dottore

Todd makes the point above that times have changed. Historically empires used their military to plunder their enemies for the good of the empire.

That is only true for as long as it's in our interests to be a 'benevolent world power'.

At some point self-interest trumps all. We do not plunder our enemies by choice, it's not because we are not capable.

Originally Posted by Dottore

That's harder to do today. The world has become a global community. Today the US military is just one more cost for the US taxpayer to absorb.

That has always been the case for any military in any empire.

Originally Posted by Rikao4

No specter of Invasion..
Snipe, their thru the fence and dancing in the compound.
And for all our might and bombs, we don't do scheisse.

Rika

Only because a large % of our population views their presence as non-detrimental, if not an outright positive.

You know, cheap labor and all. It is roughly akin to the Romans importing masses of slaves from their vanquished enemies conquered territories. In many ways, the illegal immigration problem is a spoil of (economic) warfare. Slave wages here are better than where they came from- thus providing us with masses of slave laborers. Unlike the Romans, we don't even have to pay for their transport back to Rome.

[artplumber]

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

What is killing the U.S.A.? What will kill the U.S.A.?

Greed and Narcissism.

Not corporate greed as Dottore suggests, but personal greed. Corporate greed is merely an outgrowth of the personal mantra of "more is better, because it is more". Everybody must have an iPhone (or whatever gadget you'd like to insert), or a McMansion or ..... the list goes on. It is further promoted by the media to encourage the "engine of economic growth" (the american consumer) by shows like "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous" (now "Cribs").

Corporate greed is certainly a part of that. For instance, it is somewhat laughable (to me) that there is a large portion of economics devoted solely to maximizing profits by "price points". Establishing the cost of an item and marking it up a x% is no longer good enough. We must calculate cost/item vs predicted #'s sold to max the profit.

Personal responsibility has segued to "it's all about me". And entitlement expectations are once again driven by greed "politician x says that everyone should have 2.5 children, a house, 2 cars, and free healthcare......"

[nostatic]

in a digital world, soft power can be prevalent and insidious. To think that America is "safe" because we have nukes is fine for the world before the network. Forget Atlas Shrugged, just watch Star Wars.

Greed and narcissism go hand in hand with hubris.

My g/f is from HK. Speaks Cantonese and Mandarin (as well as fluent English and some German). Double hedge bet...