Gitmo Torture
 

"I am not making this up. This is a 21-year-old that went to Guantanamo at 16 because he threw a hand grenade and killed a U.S. soldier and this is the audio just released at Guantanamo. It is not for the fainthearted. I think I've given it enough warning. Here it is."

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/12450/

I didn't see or hear any torture at all in the video? They even offered him a hamburger, and he was drinking sodas. Where is the torture supposed to come in at?

You are obviously a cold hearted infidel. Did you net hear the snivelling of this pure hearted freedom fighter?

Well i just recently learned i'm also a marxist, so i guess nothing should surprise me about me.

:D

socialist, not marxist ;)

they put bacon on his cheeseburger perhaps

I think those people in GitMo should have been allowed to collect their virgins already. They deserve them.

Dammit, that was supposed to be secret!

Have to laugh. When I was based in Saudi Arabia, one of the local Muslims and I got to be fairly good friends. When he saw that the commisary was having BBQ ribs many of the times he asked me to bring him some. At first I hassled him asking him about the Moslem religion not letting him eat pork. He finally said "Mohammed did not have a refrigerator, and besides they taste too good to not enjoy" so I gave in.

It was part of our torture that we subjected the locals to ... showing them what they were missing by living in that hell hole.

Hulk Hogan's son?

They used baconboarding on the poor fellow. This is an especially cruel variant of waterboarding, where the wet towel is replaced by a large greasy piece of bacon.

Aurel

Didn't open it but the same story was on the ABC news last night. I like the part where he says is eyes and feet are gone.

May his armpits be infested with the fleas of a 1,000 camels & his virgins have genital herpes.

Being captured during wartime only makes you a hero. By your own standards.

You are listening to the future republican nominee of (insert middle eastern country here).

In 60 years he will be fit.

Now that's funny.

...and riding a skateboard (still) as a grown, bald---


eeh, refrain from comment.

rjp

Oh, I am far from grown. I am only in my 40's. Still have a lot more on my plate.

Go take a nap old buddy.

Or in the bowl in your case. you're in your 40's? I'm sure you fool a lot of people- probably more than you should.

jrp

What makes this kid a terror suspect vs a prisoner of war who killed US troops? What were the rules in Vietnam, Korea or WWII? Just wondering why he is in prison without hope of ever getting or why didn't they just shoot him after he threw the grenade?

Bowl? current terminology, Im impressed. Or in the pool, or in the half pipe, or in the ditch.

Age is just a number my friend, sorry.

I used to ride myself. Over 20 years ago.

Age is a number, good observation. it's also a barometer of maturity that's accepted by western culture.

18 you can vote.

21 you can buy booze

40 you're supposed to be done with skateboards, smoking pot, all that stuff you're into.

If everyone is so sure these guys are terrorists, why not try them and punish them accordingly? This guy was taken at age 15 and locked up for the last 6 years with no trial. In regards to his eyes / feet 'being gone' - he is blind in one eye, has reduced vision in the other and had both ankles broken.

I can't really condone his actions, but at least give him a trial and if found guilty, punish accordingly.

No Dick, a misguided child travelling thousands of miles to kill infidels, managing to blow one up, get caught and then cry when not promptly returned to his mother is not a comparable situation.
he fooled me, I thought he was much younger until I saw the pics

hang on a second with that being done with all that stuff when you turn 40 though, I was always into bicycles as a kid, still am. Can't do everything like when I was 20, but I still like to try occasionally

I believe he is regarded as an enemy combatant. In WW II, how many German, Italian and Japanese prisoners did we release before the war ended?

We were going to try them at military tribunals until Justice Kennedy got a bug in his butt, or ear, someplace

They did shoot him...check the link, but it's not for the faint of heart.

here

bike riding wasn 't on the list :)

I'll bet Dip rips up Guitar Hero too. Rock on dood.

rjp

Cool! He did kill a soldier right?

That has yet to be proven. While it initially appeared clear-cut, there is more and more doubt about the events.

I have no problem with giving him a military trial, but get it done.

Detaining anyone for that period of time without a trial or due process is nothing to be proud of.

Nor should the Canadian government feel any pride in their selective defense of citizens rights.

There is nothing cool about killing a soldier Mule. Get your head checked.

He's just taunting. My guess is the Mule thinks he should be executed prior to a trial.

The best outcome for everyone, probably including the kid, would have been for the medics to let him die.

For those of you who don't know the background, this kid came from messed up family that lived in Canada while working as terrorists. The kid had no chance.

Now it's down to technicalities, is he a 'child soldier', just a 'soldier', an 'enemy combatant' , and is there enough evidence to convict him of murder?

It's touchy. Half the people I talk with bemoan the fact that he was 15 years old, brainwashed by his family, was a "child soldier" etc

On the other hand, the whole Khadre family is so outspokenly loathsome that I can't sympathize at all. Some of the family members have publicly praised the 9/11 hijackers. I assume this has influenced the Canadian government's inaction.

FWIW, it's not clear-cut that Omar threw that grenade. At least one soldier stated that it was someone else.

Tons & tons of info here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khadr

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khadr_family

My gut says that even if he is a loathsome murderer terrorist, he was a child soldier when it occurred. After years in detention though, hard to imagine any rehabilitation (like in Sierra Leone, Rwanda etc) could be beneficial

EDIT: One thing that comes to mind every single time this pops up in the media (which is a lot): Here's the single survivor of the raid where soldiers were injured and killed (a medic, no less) and yet they saved this kid's life. I know a lot of people think he should have been killed, or at least left to die, but the fact that they treated him speaks to the professionalism of the soldiers on the ground. Can't imagine that would have been easy. I don't think that's pointed out nearly enough.

I thought it was cool that a guy who killed a soldier got shot. Is that hard to grasp? I wish he had been killed.

There isn't anything "Cool" about killing, assh0le. What are you 12?

Being 15 and trying to kill American troops takes a bit of the warm fuzzy stuff away.

No reasonable person can side with this 'family'. But citizens have rights, and our government can't pick and choose who they defend. They are obligated to defend Omar Khadre. Just like they defend killers on death row in the U.S.A.

The alternative is to revoke citizenship, which, if done legally, would be fine by me.

problem is Mule probably wasn't planting land mines when he was 14-15. Not that I'm defending Mule's position... it's just a really messy, complicated scenario. I don't think there are any easy answers WRT child soldiers.

I dunno, seems like a cheap way out. Then again, so is ignoring the whole thing.

Let's not make assumptions here.

Seriously, this is one messed up kid. Have a trial and be done with it.

And he's one of hundreds (thousands?) sitting there. What is the solution?

The government is slowly releasing them, most if not all without charges.
1/3 were released in 2006 and now 1/2 have been released.

A lot of them were rounded up because neighbors who had a grudge against them, turned them in. Whoops.

All those years of torture and imprisonment, just to be released. Christian over-zealousness at it's best......Crazy.

In 60 years the republican party, in the middle east, is going to have tons of potential candidates.
Better order more seats for the straightjacket express.

Accepted?????? Do you make the rules?
I doubt that, but you do sound like you follow them.

Good boy,,,, sit.

Nope, but as you're reminded daily of - not only myself, you're just a pest.

No offense, but you're an immature jackoff.

rjp

EDIt: another way of explaining the age vs. taste is having a standard. If being a "boy" fits you, well great.

I like how you gloss over the facts in #34 and go straight to shooting the messenger.

You're funny.

A bald, skateboarding 40-something that refuses to grow up.

LOL, just what this board needed.

You're an expert? How the hell would you know?

I remember being 15. I knew better than throwing hand grenades when I was 15. Germany had kids fighting. Should our soldiers have not shot at them 'cause they were too young?