My dog killed my neighbors kitten. . .

[VINMAN]

Originally Posted by svandamme

wouldn't a dog be more practical and effective?

I have a 15 yo Siberian Husky. He couldnt catch a turtle if he wanted to.

The fence im talking about is basicaly two thin wires stretched about 6 inches off the ground on spikes. Gives a harmeless zap

[svandamme]

why blame your neighbor if the root cause is a defective dog ?

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by VINMAN

So I guess this makes it ok when my a-hole neighbors cat keeps killing the fish in my pond constantly?? I've had many words with him over it and he pretty much has the same oulook you do. Nothing he can do about it. How about keeping your damn cat in the house! Ive gotten to the point where I threatened to call animal control.

Be glad you don't have raccoons...they raid my neighbor's pond all the time.

Your fence idea should keep a cat at bay...I've read that they also make matts for atop your car that delivers a mild shock.

[teenerted1]

bad squirrel good dog

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by widgeon13

I think all pets should be under control. If dogs have to be on a leash, why not cats.

[RWebb]

call animal control - that's a lot cheaper than an elec. fence.

you're sure it's not raccoons, tho?

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Sorry dog lovers, but if your large dog comes after a member of my family with intent to do harm, the last thing I'm going for is a hose.

1. if you are near a hose, that will be quicker & maybe more effective

2. if the member of your family is human, you will have no trouble with the law

3. if you mean your own pet, then it could get sticky - if you are on your own property you stand a better chance of avoiding the DA or a civil suit by your neighbor or whatever.

- that's the law most places; the animal rights people are always trying to bring test cases to get pets and non-pet animals more rights

whatever you think about those groups in general, such a test case could help out if you need to defend your pet.

[pwd72s]

Randy, seems to me with dogs charging her, it was faster for Cindy to make it to the house and close the door than it would have been to stop, turn on the hose, uncoil it from the hanger, and turn on the faucet. She made it in with seconds to spare.

Animal control showed about 1/2 hour after Cindy called...the guy parked in the neighbor's driveway, honking his horn, as the dogs went crazy trying to get to him through the closed pickup door & rolled up window. He drove away, did nothing to the dogs.

But a funny thing...after this incident, this neighbor watched her dogs a bit more...didn't just let them run loose.

Gee, you think somebody official may have had a little chat with her?

If I'd been there packing? I'd have worried about the legalities later...I'd have capped 'em, considering they were after my wife...on our property. Since the neighbor was away from home? The "shoot, shovel, and shut up" rule could have been applied. (edit) Gunshots happen out here often...100% legal to discharge a firearm here. I leave cats and dogs alone...as long as the dogs are friendly, like "Brandy", the mutt who lives on the other side of our property...or the Corgies who live to the North of us. But this other neighbor? She seems to love having mean dogs. Dobies, Rotweilers, etc.

[PatrickB]

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile

ning to show restraint around other living things.
Nature isn't pretty sometimes - I get that, but the distinction is that with a pet you are deliberately taking an animal OUT of nature and into a human environment with our rules and expectations.
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leash laws are OK for dogs, but not cats?

[rusnak]

man, let's drop the it's not fair to put my animal on a leash discussion already. Go ahead and let your dog roam free. Cats too. Let em roam. They might wander into a toxic waste dump and end up like this



But that still beats having to get out a leash, clip it on the animal, hold the darn leash...I mean that is work right?

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by pwd72s

Randy, seems to me with dogs charging her, it was faster for Cindy to make it to the house and close the door than it would have been to stop, turn on the hose, uncoil it from the hanger, and turn on the faucet. She made it in with seconds to spare.
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If I'd been there packing? I'd have worried about the legalities later...I'd have capped 'em, considering they were after my wife...on our property. Since the neighbor was away from home? The "shoot, shovel, and shut up" rule could have been applied. (edit) Gunshots happen out here often...100% legal to discharge a firearm here. I leave cats and dogs alone...as long as the dogs are friendly, like "Brandy", the mutt who lives on the other side of our property...or the Corgies who live to the North of us. But this other neighbor? She seems to love having mean dogs. Dobies, Rotweilers, etc.

Well, I leave a 120 psi hose "on" all the time....

If something was chasing me, I'd try to get in the house right away too.

I'm sure you can shoot to defend yourself or another human from any attacking animal - you can do that if a human was attacking... so why not an animal. Or did I not understand the situation?

The real problem in "animal control" is the human animal....

[Mule]

Originally Posted by RWebb

Well, I leave a 120 psi hose "on" all the time....

If something was chasing me, I'd try to get in the house right away too.

I'm sure you can shoot to defend yourself or another human from any attacking animal - you can do that if a human was attacking... so why not an animal. Or did I not understand the situation?

The real problem in "animal control" is the human animal....

A 120 psi hose? Share dude!. Is this you?

[RWebb]

no third graders on the this thread, please

[Tim Hancock]

Our previous two dogs, a mutt and a siberian cohabitated with our typically 3-6 outdoor cats just fine, but our new dog, an australian shepard, has killed a few this year. Pretty much anything that moves.... he goes after it.... including our jetski in the pond, bicycles, rabbits, birds, motorcycles and especially airplanes. Good thing we have an underground fence separating him from the runway, or he would be dead for sure. Once he catches a cat, he "plays" with it until it "quits moving". The dead cat is always slobbered up good, but with no flesh wounds, so he must shake them to death. The remaing cats are d@mn good at making it to a tree or onto our fenced in deck when the dog spots them.... Survival of the fittest I guess.

I simply chalk it up to the breed... Australians love to chase stuff that moves.

[Mule]

It's called prey drive. When Pit Bulls do it they are called monsters.

[TerryH]

I vote this depressing thread containing photos of dead pets and animals be closed.

[widgeon13]

This is not a democracy!

[TerryH]

Originally Posted by widgeon13

This is not a democracy!

Then I'll vote twice!

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by Tim Hancock

Our previous two dogs, a mutt and a siberian cohabitated with our typically 3-6 outdoor cats just fine, but our new dog, an australian shepard, has killed a few this year. Pretty much anything that moves.... he goes after it.... including our jetski in the pond, bicycles, rabbits, birds, motorcycles and especially airplanes. Good thing we have an underground fence separating him from the runway, or he would be dead for sure. Once he catches a cat, he "plays" with it until it "quits moving". The dead cat is always slobbered up good, but with no flesh wounds, so he must shake them to death. The remaing cats are d@mn good at making it to a tree or onto our fenced in deck when the dog spots them.... Survival of the fittest I guess.

I simply chalk it up to the breed... Australians love to chase stuff that moves.

Guess it all depends on which you prefer...cats or dogs. Keep in mind...both are sentient beings.

[BertBeagle]

Its amazing the lack of understanding of animal behavior that exists today and the high degree of fear that some people have for dogs that “look mean” or are of “one of those breeds”.

My opinion; more dog fights and dog attacks are caused by people than dogs. You can observe this at any time with one visit to an off leash dog park.

Caesar Milan Dog Whisperer made the commit once that until he arrived in America he had never seen a neurotic dog. I never thought about it before and that statement opened my mind to observe people and dogs more than I had. Its scary how some people act with their dogs.

I grew up in a small town in the 50's where most families had dogs and they ran free. You turn them out in the morning and they come home at supper time or when you called them. I used to get a call from time to time over the loud speaker at school that my dog, Socrates, was in so and so's class room. That was the signal for me to call him and take him home. No body was ever scared of my dog or anyone else’s in town. We didn’t own a leash.

I don't remember ever having a problem with dog $hit back then like I do now. Now I live in a "nice" neighborhood with lots of "considerate dog owners”, professional dog sitters and Pro dog walkers, and little dog do-do baggie dispensers every 100 yards around town on the side walks. I can walk outside right now and spot a dog turd within 50 feet of my front door – a real problem now that never existed in my youth when we did not have all the equipment and pros that we do now.

Off leash dogs of any kind are typically not a problem. Dogs with pent up energy that don’t get exercised (not just turned loose at the off leash park) and then, every once in a while, get put on a leash are more apt to get into trouble. But at the bottom of about all those dog problems, again only my opinion, is a person that made it happen.

Today we have a bunch of idiots trying to think for us and control our lives and convince us of what we need to be afraid of and what we should complain about. It even carries over to telling us what dogs to like and which ones “bite and kill”. Really sad.