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Originally Posted by trev0006 (Post 4086922)

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Here are the numbers: 2 seats only, 520 hp @ 6500 rpm, 440 lb.-ft. of torque all the way from 3200–5200 rpm, 3615 lbs., 'Ring laps quicker than 7:30, $130,000 MSRP, early 2009.

So the car will lose its back seat and enough other stuff to shed 200 pounds, will get an extra 40 advertised horses, cost almost twice as much as the current model and lap the Nordschleife faster than a Porsche 997 GT2. We had that number as low as 7:25 recently, which is just insane. We're guessing there will be enough people that will wait for this model to hit U.S. shores when it debuts in early 2009, but even more who will think they can duplicate the recipe for far fewer dollars and a regular old GT-R.

I don't think so. Here's a street legal GT-2 running the ring in 7:15 and change.

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yea... street legal... not "stock"... so who gives a flying F*** what THAT car did the the video?

I love the gt2... but saying "just a datsun" makes it sting more not less.

I liked all the previous gen skylines. The 91-93 are sexy. But this looks like it was made for a movie about the future.

Purposeful yes, but if I'm dropping $130k on a car not only should it be fast, it needs to be sexy. GT2, 550, etc.

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Originally Posted by dd74 (Post 4087505)

As for the Elise or RX8, given any track with a skilled driver, that Nissan very well could be toast.

You are very welcome to your opinion. Hell, most blind men would find the GTR to be an ugly car. But don't be a fool. The Elise and RX8 are not even in the same ballpark as the GTR. Perhaps you've been in a bubble for the last 6 months? This is one of the fastest cars on earth. It can run with the best from Ferrari, Porsche, Pagani, etc. Not only that, but it's incredibly easy to drive at insane speeds. Watch Top Gear from two weeks ago when Clarkson drives it across Japan, he has a great overall take on the car.

As for questions about why the Ring is important, it's only the measuring stick for nearly every performance car made. Last time I checked, there IS a big building with PORSCHE written on it at the Nurburgring. It's not there for advertising. I'm not going to write the history lesson, you can google it if you're that oblivious, but there's more history in one corner of the 'Ring than in the entire track at Laguna Seca.

Every time the GTR is discussed, it does a great job of exposing the car snobs among us. Everyone's welcome to their own opinion, and very few really find the GTR attractive. I do find it funny that on a forum where people dump their A/C system to pick up one second of lap time, all of a sudden the name on the hood is more important than the performance. You think it's worth spending twice as much for a car that says Porsche on the hood, fine. But you'll look pretty silly getting spanked by a much cheaper Datsun.

I was under the impression that the GT-2 in that video was stock, do you have information otherwise?

BTW, be careful with the language. they're cracking down on that lately.

I'm a huge fan of ugly, but purpose built cars.

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Wiki page has the 2008 GT2 at 7:32 with Walter Rohrl at the wheel. I'd say he's a decent driver on the 'Ring.;) GT-R is 7:29, Zonda F Clubsport is 7:27, C6 ZR1 is 7:26, but apparently disputed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordschleife_fastest_lap_times

Turns out that nissan wasn't stock either, they ran with cut slick tires for their supposed "record" run.

The Truth About the Nissan GT-R and the Nürburgring Lap Record
By James Ansell
May 21, 2008 -
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/the-truth-about-the-nissan-gt-r-and-the-nurburgring-lap-record/

I agree with TTAC reviewer Stephan Wilkinson : the new Nissan GT-R is the old Honda NSX. Once people actually start driving Nissan’s “everyday supercar”– as opposed to simply jumping on the hype bandwagon and bench racing numbers supplied by Nissan– they’ll appreciate the parallel. Although I'm still looking forward to my first hands-on experience with the GT-R, the reality of the car’s true nature and importance in automotive history is right under the fan-boys’ noses.

The GT-R allegedly 'outperforms' thoroughbred supercars at a fraction of the price. Yes, but what price? The sticker price, or the in-your-garage price? Considering the hype surrounding the car and the limited production numbers, it will be years before a single new $70k GT-R will be sold for under $100k. At the moment, comparing the Nissan to say, a Corvette Z06, obfuscates the truth. But what the [Green] Hell…

No small part of the current GT-R lovefest can be attributed to the car’s 7:38 Nürburgring lap time. As TTAC has pointed out, there are real questions about the Green Hellmobile’s qualifications for the title “second fastest production car around the ‘Ring.” The GT-R's suspension was modified from the current Japanese production model, supposedly to reflect the American and European spec. Supposedly. Will anyone get a chance to compare the fabled ‘Ring runner and a final production car? I doubt it.

Meanwhile, the YouTube video of the Nissan’s “historic run” clearly shows that the GT-R had a flying start. All other manufacturers testing at the ‘Ring use standing starts for published lap times. The video also proves that the car's lap time was not measured at the exact same location (start and stop). Take these two factors into account, and the 7:40 claim seems highly dubious.
The icing on the cake: GT-R chief engineer Kazutoshi Mizuno’s subsequent admission from that "We used cut slick tyres." If that doesn’t cancel their claim, nothing does.

In fact, a regular Corvette Z06 would probably beat the GT-R on the Nürburgring. When Road & Track tested the GT-R against the Z06 on a track much smaller than the ‘Ring, they concluded that the GT-R was fast in the corners, but they didn't shed a whole lot of light on how the GT-R performed on the straights. Although the ‘Ring has an enormous amount of corners, it also has some of the longest straight-aways in the world.

In Road & Track’s technical comparo, the GT-R was just as fast to 60mph as the Z06 (despite being less powerful). What many have over-looked is the trap speed at the end of the 1/4 mile. The Z06 is about seven mph faster than the GT-R. When you look at the graph that accompanies these numbers, the GT-R’s AWD system gave it a clear advantage– but only at the start. Applied to the Green Hell, the Z06 would outpace the GT-R on the straights.

The Z06’s fastest recorded lap time at the Nürburgring is 7:42.9 This lap was driven in 2005 by Jan Magnussen in 'muggy' conditions. Last year, Chevy revised the suspension on all Corvette models including the Z06. In theory, the new suspension and better weather conditions should be enough for a Z06 to equal or even better the Nissan GT-R's true time of +7:40. When you consider that the Z06 can achieve this time with a GM-standard standing start and production tires, it seems obvious that the GT-R is no match for the Z06 around the ring.

But what does it all mean? Well, not much actually. Every racetrack is different and some cars are suited to some tracks while others are not. The GT-R is suited to smaller tracks like the one R&T used, and the Z06 is suited to longer and faster ones like the ‘Ring.

So why did I bother ranting about this? Nissan has chosen to flaunt its Nürburgring lap times to show the world that their new, high-tech Nissan GT-R is the new bang-for-the-buck Alpha. But it’s not true. The cheaper Corvette Z06 is still the worlds best [unmodified] performance car bargain. What’s more, if the GT-R cannot handle a stock Z06, then how will it fare against the upcoming ZR1? Never mind the 'almighty' spec V model.

Given the GT-R’s looks and oft-reported lack of driving feel, there’s only one reason anyone would buy the uber-Nissan: to own the fastest thing on the road. In the corners, maybe. If you were committed enough to drive at 10/10ths (never mind how “easy” it is), you could probably blow-off a 911 or similar. Down the straights (the great American pastime), there are faster and cheaper choices– and that’s without exploring relatively inexpensive modifications.

In short, the GT-R is an awesome achievement, but Wilkinson’s right: it’s not all that.

Won, what's the point? Racing voids the warranty? I'd be suprised if most moden sports cars don't have the same exclusion. I remember a while back, someone posted about powertrain warranties being voided for overuse of a launch control system.

The GT2 ran it's time on slicks. I guess we need to invalidate it too.

C'mon now! Some douche wanna-be journalist shrilling for the Corvette and knocking the GT-R, and he hasn't even driven it? Please. The 7:29 'Ring time was heavily witnessed and recorded, this is the first I've heard it disputed. From reading the piece, I don't think he has any more credibility than any of us. The Z06 ran a 7:42, no way it has an advantage.

I doubt that many will dispute that the ZR1 is faster. Hell, we could easily have this same dispute about the ZR1. It's cheaper and faster than many Porsches, and many of the members on here wouldn't want one. Personally, I'm a car guy, and able to appreciate all of these cars as the engineering marvels that they are. If I had the cash, I probably wouldn't buy either.

I likie the 510

GT-R is a heck of a car. You just can't say otherwise unless you are not really that into cars.

I prefer light and nimble to heavy and brutal personally

I only said the Datsun thing because they said it on TG. We may be getting a little out of hand. This is a great track and possibly everyday car. I would like to see the GTR running the LeMans to see how it compares to the other vehicles.

its already causing mayhem in the Japanese GT. Youtube ahoy!

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Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 4088436)

I was under the impression that the GT-2 in that video was stock, do you have information otherwise?

BTW, be careful with the language. they're cracking down on that lately.

No i dont.

I assumed "street legal" was the term most people use for cars that are not stock but not modified to the point of a full race car. I figured someone would use "stock" if it was stock. I guess i jumped to conclusions. Sorry.

Im pretty sure the Porsche factory guys wouldn't leave any time on table. A cars lap time being an important marketing tool to alot of motor heads. So, any videos of anything going faster then reported by the factory I dont think are relevant.

Even if the nissan is 10 seconds slower then the top car thats still a huge accomplishment for any car.

A company with a long history put out a great product. You should be happy as a car guy that there are so many great products on the market, even if this ones not for you. Personally i would rather have 10 510 datsun's... one would have to be a rally car.

you'd be pretty safe to assume that Walters time of 7.## vs this street legal GT2's time of 7.15 its a tuner (eg Gemballa, Roock, etc) car whose times come under the street legal catagory for the Ring. Last I heard it was a tuner 911 turbo that held the latest street legal record.

What about the Vette? No magic electronics, no "serviceable only by NASA, AWD, just bad ass fast!