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Amen to that. Given two identical cars, nobody beat's Walter Rohrl's time. The man is a God on the 'Ring.

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Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 4088374)

You are very welcome to your opinion. Hell, most blind men would find the GTR to be an ugly car. But don't be a fool. The Elise and RX8 are not even in the same ballpark as the GTR. Perhaps you've been in a bubble for the last 6 months? This is one of the fastest cars on earth. It can run with the best from Ferrari, Porsche, Pagani, etc. Not only that, but it's incredibly easy to drive at insane speeds. Watch Top Gear from two weeks ago when Clarkson drives it across Japan, he has a great overall take on the car.

As for questions about why the Ring is important, it's only the measuring stick for nearly every performance car made. Last time I checked, there IS a big building with PORSCHE written on it at the Nurburgring. It's not there for advertising. I'm not going to write the history lesson, you can google it if you're that oblivious, but there's more history in one corner of the 'Ring than in the entire track at Laguna Seca.

Every time the GTR is discussed, it does a great job of exposing the car snobs among us. Everyone's welcome to their own opinion, and very few really find the GTR attractive. I do find it funny that on a forum where people dump their A/C system to pick up one second of lap time, all of a sudden the name on the hood is more important than the performance. You think it's worth spending twice as much for a car that says Porsche on the hood, fine. But you'll look pretty silly getting spanked by a much cheaper Datsun.

At the end of the day, it's an overpriced Japanese car. Period. And there are much better, less expensive cars that would cook it alive in the right circumstances. But go ahead, spend $130,000+ on it. When you do, then you can talk to me about its abilities. Otherwise, your opinion is no better than mine, which makes whatever you have to say about it...rather moot.

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Originally Posted by Mule (Post 4089359)

What about the Vette? No magic electronics, no "serviceable only by NASA, AWD, just bad ass fast!

Yep. And about $50K cheaper. A better value all the way around.

All the times released by Nissan and the first car mag reviews should have a * next to them. Just like when Toyota, Mazda and Nissan released the Supra TT, RX-7 TT and 300Z TT at the same time, all the press cars were hot. I drove all those cars as I worked at a Mazda dealer at the time and they were not nearly as fast as the car magazine times led you to believe they are. However they were all trying to one up each other and figured that was the way to do it.

Nissan is for the first time releasing the GT-R as a world car and is trying to make a splash with it. Who cares if the press car and factory driven test cars are juiced...really. It gets all of us car guys doing exactly what we are doing now, talking about it and generating hype which will result in sales. No matter what is true or not it doesn't matter. They win when someone buys them.

How fast it is and how great the car is will be really easy to find out very shortly when the first 17 year old kids get dad's GTR and a video camera. The YouTube video of them street racing and crashing it will be all over the net very shortly.....or if the car is that great we won't see many crashes as the car will auto correct itself out of the way of the telephone poles. Won't it?

Nissan is a marketing genius and all of us on the forums debating it are a direct result of it. Porsche doesn't need to market like that as their cars sell themselves. As a matter of fact they prefer to be a bit more conservative in their test numbers so buyers will not be disappointed. Can you imagine how many of us P-car guys would be complaining if Porsche published a 0-60 of 5.1 secs and it took 5.9 secs in all the car mags. We would say all the car mags had bad cars and poor test conditions. So it is in the best interest of Porsche to do the opposite.

What is my point to all this? Time will show how good the GTR is or isn't. Right now everything you read or see on the net is just marketing hype.

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Originally Posted by quaz (Post 4089398)

Time will show how good the GTR is or isn't. Right now everything you read or see on the net is just marketing hype.

Yep. Well put. Hype includes "The Ring" as well.

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Originally Posted by dd74 (Post 4089397)

Yep. And about $50K cheaper. A better value all the way around.

If you want to get right down to it, you can own the mullet machine and the ricer for the cost of the GT2.

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Originally Posted by Red Baron (Post 4089436)

If you want to get right down to it, you can own the mullet machine and the ricer for the cost of the GT2.

That's true, but no way will I spend $190,000 on a Porsche when $20K more could get me a Ferrari. For me, there's a method to this madness of high-priced cars.

Here's an interesting article about the GTR, sans "The Ring." It speaks more about the daily-driving aspects of the car, provided someone doesn't drive it on "The Ring" daily. SmileWavy

http://www.drivesouth.co.nz/news/5735/nissan-gtr-039more-like-two-tons-of-fluffy-kitten039-dan-neil-la-times

By the way, the 7:26 time of the ZR1 was done on mere Pilot Sport 2s. Even the stock Porsches come with Cups, which are superior.

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Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 4088453)

Won, what's the point? Racing voids the warranty? I'd be suprised if most moden sports cars don't have the same exclusion. I remember a while back, someone posted about powertrain warranties being voided for overuse of a launch control system.

Don't really have a point here Matt, just a picture that a friend of mine sent me. I do think it's a bit odd that the warranty is void if you turn off VDC, whatever that is. Is it some sort of a stability control?

The front of that thing reminds me of a planarian:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1217381254.jpg

Anyone know much about this car?
No hi-jack of the thread intended but thought I'd throw it into the mix here. I'm trying to find a Ring time for it.

http://www.sportwagen-manufaktur.de/

Jeff - back away from the microscope --- slowly.

And BTW the GT-R is just as styled as anything else. It is no more all about function than a GT2/3, Fcar, or Audi.

and what about this car vs. the Audi, anyway?

heres a R&T article comparo

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=31&article_id=6944

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With each track producing different results, we were eager to see how the cars ranked overall. So we evenly weighted the results of each of the four tracks, normalizing the scores on a 25-point system. And then we added the four scores to produce a winner. Think of it as an automotive decathlon, with four events instead of 10, in which the car that has the best combined result is declared king. As you can see on the accompanying chart, the Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4 took home the crown, despite the fact the Dodge Viper SRT10 ACR won more events. Surprises? We expected the Porsche 911 GT2 and Chevrolet Corvette Z06 to have fared better. But the main story here is that we found out over four grueling days that the Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4 is the most well-rounded performance machine in this test. Period.

Ewww, I saw Jeff's pharynx!

You weren't looking at his ganglia were you?