Nissan GT-R Spec V specs revealed by R&T

[trev0006]

Here are the numbers: 2 seats only, 520 hp @ 6500 rpm, 440 lb.-ft. of torque all the way from 3200–5200 rpm, 3615 lbs., 'Ring laps quicker than 7:30, $130,000 MSRP, early 2009.

So the car will lose its back seat, spare tires, and enough other stuff to shed 200 pounds, will get an extra 40 advertised horses, cost almost twice as much as the current model and lap the Nordschleife faster than a Porsche 997 GT2. We had that number as low as 7:25 recently, which is just insane. We're guessing there will be enough people that will wait for this model to hit U.S. shores when it debuts in early 2009, but even more who will think they can duplicate the recipe for far fewer dollars and a regular old GT-R.

[svandamme]

i heard they have to feed it babies during production

[TerryBPP]

Awesome times but still the ugliest car I've seen in years.

[dd74]

I think it has acceptable looks. Certainly appears purposeful. Here's my issue: why does it weigh so much? Is it because of airbags and other safety stuff? I would think so, which brings up another issue - who and what is this car intended for? If it's so fast and powerful, isn't driving it on the street doing it a huge injustice? Meanwhile, isn't it really too heavy for the track?

Why doesn't Nissan, and all other manufacturers of these more-or-less race cars, just market them as race cars, instead of deluding them on both ends of the spectrum - race and street - by selling something that's somewhat in between race and street?

[svandamme]

common, surely there are uglier ducklings around then that
i agree it's not a design classic, it doesn't have even the slightest hint of "pretty" to it
but it doesn't need to be


it has more going for it then say the Mitsubishi evo IXIXVI ever has

[dd74]

Originally Posted by svandamme

Mitsubishi evo IXIXVI

Hilarious!

[t951]

I love that its ugly. It's all about function, and screw the darned looks.
This is like that girl you dated in college.....best lay ever, but you couldn't tell your friends because of her looks.....

I am number 1 on my dealers waiting list for the standard GT-R.....but for the 2011 model year. I don't want year 1, along with its markups and first year issues. I figure year 2 will get a lot of the backlog out. Year 3 for me please.

[Red Baron]

Gorgeous car with the hardware to hunt BIG GAME!!!

Nissan ROCKS!

[89911]

Originally Posted by t951

Year 3 for me please.

But at that time, you will be able to by year 1 for half the price!

[serge944]

The ZR1 is faster. And its not ugly. The verdict? GT-R sucks.

[DavidB911]

Originally Posted by dd74

I think it has acceptable looks. Certainly appears purposeful. Here's my issue: why does it weigh so much? Is it because of airbags and other safety stuff? I would think so, which brings up another issue - who and what is this car intended for? If it's so fast and powerful, isn't driving it on the street doing it a huge injustice? Meanwhile, isn't it really too heavy for the track?

Why doesn't Nissan, and all other manufacturers of these more-or-less race cars, just market them as race cars, instead of deluding them on both ends of the spectrum - race and street - by selling something that's somewhat in between race and street?

Some of the weight is all the electronics (i would suspect). The air bags and other stuff would factor in some weight too. I think car is designed for the guy that wants a fast track car and take it to work the next day. There are so many good street and track cars I guess it doesn't hurt to have a car that does both well. I dont like this vehicle, but I do understand why there is a cult following of it. At the end of the day you still have a Datsun.

[DaveE]

Why is it, if these cars are so awesome, they never show up on a race track in any of the pro series? Or am I missing them? If they're there they never seem to be running at the front.

[serge944]

Meanwhile there are still plenty of 'budget supercars' around the 3000lb mark...

[dd74]

In my view, a true performance-oriented car should weigh in at 2,000-2,500. Two strike my mind as potential track destroyers of this Nissan: the Lotus Elise, and the Mazda RX8. I think the RX8 actually weighs 2700, but that's with all amenities. Plus, they're a lot cheaper.

Heck, isn't a Porsche GT-3 less than this Nissan?

[serge944]

I'm confused by what you mean 'track destroyers.' As much as I hate to admit it, the GT-R destroyed the GT3 on the ring.

Technology has this amazing way of rewriting physics making these amazingly heavy cars turn amazing track times. Just look at the Prodrive P2...

[dd74]

Originally Posted by serge944

I'm confused by what you mean 'track destroyers.' As much as I hate to admit it, the GT-R destroyed the GT3 on the ring.

Technology has this amazing way of rewriting physics making these amazingly heavy cars turn amazing track times. Just look at the Prodrive P2...

I'm confused as to why it matters what this car did at "The Ring." How about what this car did at Watkins Glen, or VIR or Daytona?

Technology rewrites physics? Really? Then why isn't the Lotus Elise 3,500 lbs? Lotus would sell a hell of a lot more if you could fit the kids in the back and take them to soccer practice en-route to the racetrack.

[Red Baron]

A Lotus Elise is uglier that the GT-R imo. And I have a hard time figuring out why people say those cars are such track beast's. I've been on track with a chit load of them and they can't get out of my way fast enough. I just have'nt been at all impressed.

YMMV

[dd74]

Originally Posted by Red Baron

A Lotus Elise is uglier that the GT-R imo. And I have a hard time figuring out why people say those cars are such track beast's. I've been on track with a chit load of them and they can't get out of my way fast enough. I just have'nt been at all impressed.

YMMV

YMMV. Exactly! Maybe you're faster. Which is another argument against whatever is said in the media about "The Ring" track times and this car.

Be it Porsche or Nissan, all of these specialty cars are very fast at doing exactly the same thing on a racetrack. But as another poster said, it's just a Datsun (or Nissan). At that point, one could (or has to) consider the brand. And in my opinion, the Porsche brand takes the Nissan brand hands down. In five years time, this GT-R, will be worth at most half of what the GT-3 will be worth because of name alone. I believe this should be a consideration when spending $100,000+ on a specialty car.

As for the Elise or RX8, given any track with a skilled driver, that Nissan very well could be toast.

[J1NX3D]

I love porsches. I love the heritage, the pedigree, etc. Nissans may just be a Datsun, but the GTR name has heritage and pedigree of its own.



from wikipedia

GT-R
Nissan Skyline KGC10 GT-X (L20 engine)
Nissan Skyline KGC10 GT-X (L20 engine)

The first GT-R Skyline appeared in February 1969. Called the PGC-10 (KPGC-10 for later coupé version) internally and Hakosuka (ハコスカ) by fans. Hako (ハコ) means Box in Japanese, and suka（スカ） is short for Skyline (スカイライン; Sukairain). It used the 2.0 L (1998 cc) S20 I6. This new DOHC engine produced 160 hp (118 kW, 180 N m), equal to the best sports cars of the time, and was similar to the GR8 engine used in the Nissan R380 racing car.

The GT-R began as a sedan, but a 2-door coupé version was introduced in March of 1971. The cars were stripped of unnecessary equipment to be as light as possible for racing, and performed well at the track. The sedan racked up 33 victories in less than two years, and the coupé stretched this to 50 through 1972.

The C10 raced against many cars including the Toyota 1600 GT5, Isuzu Bellett GTR, Mazda Familia (R100) & Capella (RX-2) - even Porsche. In late 1971 the new Mazda RX-3 became the GT-R's main rival. The GT-R managed a few more victories before the RX-3 ended the GT-R's winning streak. The GT-R was also a favorite of reckless street racers who roamed the streets at night at that time.

Models:

* 1500 - 1.5 L G15 I4, 95 hp (71 kW, 128 N m)
* 1800 - 1.8 L G18 I4, 105 hp (78 kW, 150 N m)
* 2000GT - 2.0 L L20E I6, 120 hp (90 kW, 167 N m)
* 2000GT-R - 2.0 L S20 I6, 160 hp (118 kW, 180 N m)

not too bad for Japan for the time. Plus it was the turbo/4wd technology of the R32 GTR that contributed to a rule change banning it from racing with the Aussie V8's in the early '90's.

imo Porsche needs cars like this to keep pushing the envelope. The R35 GTR is heavy, hard-tech, has a pretty sweet drivetrain layout and out-performs Porsches best road cars on the Ring (which is the supercar benchmark setting) and on the Top Gear handling track.



[edit]just found this. i know dyno charts aren't everything but thought it was interesting.

[speedracing944]

A little friendly competition never hurt.

The Nissan has 2 more inches of knee room for the rear seat vs. the Porsche 997.

Speedy