TX to execute Mexican citizen, wrong?
 

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/5919299.html

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/5919299.html

So, the gist is that 2 girls, 14 and 16, were walking home after a party. They accidentally stumbled upon a drunken gang initiation. They were then gang raped. Afterward the gang leader said that they had to be killed. So the gang strangled them.

Texas has already killed one gang member. I think the rest are either in for a long time or on death row. At least one of them is a Mexican citizen (ie Illegal alien), and now everyone is saying that we can't execute. One the one hand, I'm all for the execution, but at the same time I think this could end up being bad for US citizens abroad. Other countries would think that they had the ok to do whatever they want to US citizens.

What do you guys think?

Boo hoo. He came to the U.S. and committed the crime, now he can face the penalty.

They should turn him over to the Ertman girls father. I have seen him interviewed. I think he could hand out some Texas justice.
Seriously, the UN court does not matter in this case.

Other countries do whatever they like with US citizens right now!

That's why I stopped trafficking heroin out of Budapest years ago.

In what possible way could someone argue that he shouldn't be executed. If I ever find myself illegally in Switzerland in a US gang and doing an illegal US gang initiation and decide to rape and strangle to girls who are 14 and 16, I should be executed.

TX to execute Mexican citizen, wrong?

Hell yes it's wrong. Texas is slacking. That should read: TX HAS executed POS. Carry on.

I think Texas should wait until Fox agrees to carry it on O'Reilly ,, I personally would like to see the SOB's fry!!!!

Screw the U.N. That's a technicality anyway. It's not like Mexico has done a helluva lot for us anyway other than dump their trash into our country. The guy committed a capital crime, face the (mariachi) music.

I would Rick Lee him first, then execute him.

Make a TACO out of him, fry the MOFO!!

You come to this country and kill somebody, tough s---!!

Execute the POS!

That said, what precedent does it set if say you were convicted of some odd crime in Saudi Arabia (like looking at a woman the wrong way, just made that one up)? I would hope that we could appeal to our gov't for help. Although we can't compare the two crimes.

I'm flattered. Yes, the true injustice here is that we can't get medieval on his a$s before killing him. I'm thinking the Judas Cradle would be just right for this POS.

Holy Sheik (see Bugatti thread)... that would be a horrible way to go. Ouch!

Geeze, Rick...and I was only thinking of feeding him to Texas wild hogs...

I saw one of these in a torture museum in Amsterdam and also a documentary on them a few weeks ago. Just unreal.

The hog/feet scenes in Hannibal and Rambo IV would be just fine for this POS too. I might even go after his family so he can watch them suffer as well.

In Switzerland? You'd end up in a comfortable clinic for a few years, playing bridge and shuffleboard, while some psychiatrists probed the childhood traumas that led to your aberrant behavior. Then you'd be released, with an air ticket home and a thousand Francs spending money.

A friend who once lived in Switzerland once said that if you had an affair with a Swiss bank president's wife, he'd just shrug his shoulders and say he hoped she enjoyed herself. But try to defraud his bank? He'd have your hide!

Sweet Jesus. Don't get me started on Swiss bankers.

The horrific nature of Jose Medellin's crime is reason enough for TX to go through with this execution.

It was 15 years ago that this gang rape happened, and it still sets the standard for brutality and viciousness.

No number of court-house dodges, 11th hour appeals, perp's rights advocates, UN interventions or retrials in the Hague can ever right the scales of justice until each one of the rapists receives his state-administered dose of Sodium thiopental, Pancuronium bromide and Potassium chloride.

Load up the syringes!!

The only thing they are doing wrong is they are not letting me throw the switch, drop the pellet, however they do it down there.
I'd gladly volunteer. I have a 14 year old daughter.

Why just one?

Yeah, why do they even have multiple buttons to push, with only one cause the poison to flow? I'd think people would be lining up to help out with some executions. I'd be happy to push the button and brag about it later.

I've long maintained that the states are missing out on a sure, money making bet. Sell raffle tickets; the winner gets to shoot the SOB. Bring your own rifle.

That crap makes my stomach turn. I don't care if the guy is a citizen of Mars he still committed a terrible act.

Could you imagine being the Father of that child and having to endure a 15 year long emotional rollercoaster to see if justice will be served because of something as trivial as what the guys citizenship is.

Death is to easy of a punishment for that POS!

If he had pulled that crap in California, he might have had a chance, but Texas? Thats just dumb.

In California the liberal court system would have let him go already, four or five times.

This clown's citizenship is just a last ditch effort to save him from execution. Not that it matters, but he'd lived in USA many years prior to commiting this heinous act (I believe including attending school) And this was never an issue during his trial. Execut him now! We've already wasted enuff money on him. Incorrigible. BTW, I vote for televising the execution.

If Texas wanted to make it right, they would throw him a new trial and let him talk to the consulate. Personally, it is a waste of money, since it won't change anything. He will still be executed, nothing is going to change that.

His death sentance is not going to be commuted, no matter what the Chronic blathers.

Next,

step this way, comfy, smile.pfffffffffffffffffft.
next..

Just out of curiosity, why is this dirtbag still alive?

It's not his fault. He's the real victim here. He was abused as a child.
He grew up in an impoverished area and never experienced the luxuries the rest of us were blessed with. He has dyslexia. He is bi-polar. he didn't have a father figure. He's just misunderstood. No one has ever taken the time to just sit down and talk to him.
that's all the beeding heart excuses i can think of right now.

Well, Texas has one of the faster systems for Capital Punishment. California finally executed a guy 2 years ago, that commited his crime in 1979!

Not playing Devil's advocate (I too concur he shoulda fried a long time ago), but the treaty we have with Mexico is that they agree to extradite criminals if we agree not to execute them (they do not have the death penalty in Mexico). We can lock 'em up and throw away the key, but not execute.

So, problem arises the next time Mexico captures a fugitive from the US and refuses to extradite because of this case. Mexico could become a "safe haven" for capital criminals.

COULDS become? It already is. In So Cal when the gangbangers kill someone the cops don't go to their house, they go to the border to try and catch them.

Mexico already plays games. if a criminal is in their country and we want to extradite them, we have to promise that we won't execute them. No promise, no extradite.

Seems like they don't frown on pre-meditated murder with special circumstances like we do.
We can't even cut off the tons of money we give them because they have oil.

Well, it could work out in our favor. Mexico could become saturated with our (their) criminals, leaving us free of having to house them.

Of so many excellent posts on this thread, this is the best.

China has it right....convicted, take them out the back door, kneel them down, bullet in the back of the head. Family gets a bill for the expended round.....simple.

On the first date with my first Chinese girlfriend I asked her how long it usually took in China from sentencing to execution of sentence. She said maybe two hours.

Mexico has already refused extradition in at least one instance I am aware of

This is a bad thing why exactly?