ink not dry yet, some folks never learn

[svandamme]

24 Million pounds write off, just a couple of months ago
And apparantly Macca reportedly engaged to wed again, with 47 year old Nancy Shevell...

[Rick Lee]

Maybe he got an ironclad pre-nup this time.

[dd74]

He should just buy a harem. Hell, he can afford it.

[svandamme]

why bother with an iron clad pre-nup
why pay friggin lawyers to make up a document for you to sign
when all you gotta say is

"i'm sorry hun, i'm not marrying, been down that road before
you'll get the key to my houses, and i'll make sure your credit card doesn't max out easily
I'll make sure to update my will so you'll be taken care off when i kick the bucket, and you will be nice to me till that day, mmkaay?"

[stuartj]

Because if you do that, you might in fact be worse off.

(hey, i dont mean to be a smart arse- but i think its:

In Flanders fields the poppies blow

wouldnt say normally, but...)

[pwd72s]

He should just find a woman he doesn't like every 5-6 years or so...and hand her a few million. Cut out the lawyers that way..

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by stuartj

Because if you do that, you might in fact be worse off.

(hey, i dont mean to be a smart arse- but i think its:

In Flanders fields the poppies blow

wouldnt say normally, but...)

i know what it is,
i'm just saying i'm from/in Flanders fields, known from the poem about the poppies that blow...

[dd74]

Such cultured lads - or hellion hawks - quoting pro-war McCrae poetry.

[svandamme]

i think it's more about remembering that the fallen were not mearly statistics in the casualty reports delivered to the generals and newspapers, but were people

And that they needed to be remembered, and vindicated by winning the war

I don't think it's pro-just-about-any-war, it was pro victory in WW1 for the sake of those who fell in that war, not for the sake of the generals...

it's a thin line and it's much debated... governments tend to use it as simply pro-war, because it's suits them that way...

elaborating on WW1, that war was won, but failure to actually end it with sustainable terms, led to WW2, which dishonoured all those that died in WW1, thinking it was the war to end all wars... and taking it further, WW2 let to the cold war and all it's conflicts, and today, with all the tension in many areas...

So is it truly a pro war poem? not in my opinion, i classify it as a message to honour those who fell, by trying to accomplish what they fought for... They fought the war to end all wars... so we need to strive to end all wars...

then again, the only man who can truly clarify this , is McCrae, who is no longer on this world...

[stuartj]

Ive had a good look around the Somme- its my intention to go into Belgium next time, Ypres- and onto Ghent for a beer. Do you have beer there, in Belgium? Is it any good?

DD74, im not sure many who go the WW1 battlefields come away unmoved. I dont think McCrae or Wilfred Owens or Sassoon were pro war, but as stated, who knows. IIRC correctly, McCrae was killed shortly after writing that poem.

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by stuartj

Do you have beer there, in Belgium? Is it any good?

Do we have beer here?

ping me when you come over, and i'll make you wish you hadn't asked me that question

[3.2 CAB]

I think with the last one, he thought that he would come out OK, being she didn't have a leg to stand on.

[svandamme]

that one leg was good for 24 million pounds
i wish i my 2 legs were worth just half of that

[dd74]

Originally Posted by svandamme

i think it's more about remembering that the fallen were not mearly statistics in the casualty reports delivered to the generals and newspapers, but were people

And that they needed to be remembered, and vindicated by winning the war

I don't think it's pro-just-about-any-war, it was pro victory in WW1 for the sake of those who fell in that war, not for the sake of the generals...

it's a thin line and it's much debated... governments tend to use it as simply pro-war, because it's suits them that way...

elaborating on WW1, that war was won, but failure to actually end it with sustainable terms, led to WW2, which dishonoured all those that died in WW1, thinking it was the war to end all wars... and taking it further, WW2 let to the cold war and all it's conflicts, and today, with all the tension in many areas...

So is it truly a pro war poem? not in my opinion, i classify it as a message to honour those who fell, by trying to accomplish what they fought for... They fought the war to end all wars... so we need to strive to end all wars...

then again, the only man who can truly clarify this , is McCrae, who is no longer on this world...

When reading the poem, McCrae suggests the flame (sic), be carried on by others after "we" have fallen. If this is not done, we die an uneasy death. Pro honor vs. pro war = a fine line depending on reading.

There definitely is something celebratory in the poem.

[dd74]

Originally Posted by stuartj

DD74, im not sure many who go the WW1 battlefields come away unmoved. I dont think McCrae or Wilfred Owens or Sassoon were pro war, but as stated, who knows. IIRC correctly, McCrae was killed shortly after writing that poem.

McCrae died of pneumonia. He was not killed in action.

[stuartj]

Originally Posted by dd74

McCrae died of pneumonia. He was not killed in action.

Is that so? I recall he was a medico and Canadian(?) and died toward the end- 1917 or 18, shortly after penning that poem.

Ive just read the most remarkable "novel", newly published from a manuscript written in the 20's. "Somme Mud" EPF Lynch. Quite an amzing 'little' story of the Western Front- in the vein of "Farewell to all of that". Ive you have an interest, its recommended.

Are you Canadian? The NewFoundland site on the Somme is a pretty remarkable, very well preserved.

[svandamme]

John McCrae didn't last that long in the war
he died in 1915, not long after he wrote the poem

died by gun or by trench germs, same thing : died in misery during that war...

[stuartj]

Originally Posted by svandamme

John McCrae didn't last that long in the war
he died in 1915, not long after he wrote the poem

died by gun or by trench germs, same thing : died in misery during that war...

http://www.defence.gov.au/army/traditions/documents/inflandersfield_1.htm

Ok- seems he wrote the poem in spring may 1915- it was publsiehed by Punch in dec 1915. McCrae was wounded in May 1918, and died three days later in a French hospital (pneumonia?)

3 years on the Western Front. Jesus.

[svandamme]

hmm, english wiki didn't say he got wounded prior to the pneumonia
dutch wiki adds meningitis alongside the pneumonia

oh well, he died in the war, and i'm sure in just as much misery as anybody who took lead..
because i doubt dying from pneumonia is fun in a war hospital , with limited supplies of everythign....