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Mule 08-17-2008 07:02 AM

Arctic ice refuses to melt as ordered
 
"... ice has grown in nearly every direction since last summer - with a large increase in the area north of Siberia. Also note that the area around the Northwest Passage (west of Greenland) has seen a significant increase in ice. Some of the islands in the Canadian Archipelago are surrounded by more ice than they were during the summer of 1980.

http://iceagenow.com/Arctic_ice_refuses_to_melt_as_ordered.htm

widgeon13 08-17-2008 07:15 AM

Guess Al wasn't telling the truth, what a surprise!

sammyg2 08-17-2008 07:20 AM

Guys, it's no longer global warming. Now it's global climate change.
An increase in the ice shelf is a change and indicative of man's destruction of the environment. Same if it shrinks. They can't lose that way.

Tim Hancock 08-17-2008 07:39 AM

Gas prices went up.... Toyota sold some Priuses.... Some people bought bicycles & motorcycles.......The world is safe now......

I forget, in lefty world didn't Bush/Cheney cause gas prices to rise which now in turn has saved our planet as evidenced by the ice increase...... I am so confused... I need Al Gore to tell me what to think.

john70t 08-17-2008 09:36 AM

I commend your valient uphill stuggle with reality. Must be a nice padded place to exist.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003873003_arcticice07m.html
http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/sciencetech/arctic-ice-cap-could-disappear-in-20-years/264
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/10/24/1066631611744.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSN0122477020070501
http://wordpress.com/tag/arctic-ice-cap/
http://redhotresources.blogspot.com/2008/04/melting-arctic-ice-cap-in-pictures.html
http://www.nowpublic.com/environment/arctic-ice-cap-melts-twice-size-france
http://digg.com/world_news/Google_Earth_shows_Arctic_Ice_Cap_now_COMPLETELY_G ONE
http://www.divephotoguide.com/index.php?cmd=search&tag=arctic%20ice%20cap%20shri nking
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-483055/Arctic-ice-caps-shrink-smallest-size.html
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?objectid=10482139
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article103124.ece
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/12/13/tech/main3613698.shtml?source=mostpop_story
http://environmentaldefenseblogs.org/climate411/2007/10/04/arctic_ice_shrinking/
http://www.freakingnews.com/Arctic-Oil-Pictures--1557.asp
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/aug/10/climatechange.arctic?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront
http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/997702/an/0/page/0
http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmental-news/latest/baffin-ice-cap-47012902
http://www.igloo.org/thewatercooler/internat
http://www.popsci.com/environment/article/2008-06/google-earth-environment-guide?page=3
http://www.burlingtonnews.net/hollowearth.html
http://9.dwclexxa.com/4d
http://benmuse.typepad.com/ben_muse/arctic/
http://discovermagazine.com/2004/feb/ice-cap-melteth
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1111569,00.html
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2007/10/antarctica-ice-cap-growth-reaches.html

Read these and report back.

island911 08-17-2008 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by john70t (Post 4124680)
I commend your valient uphill stuggle with reality. Must be a nice padded place to exist.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003873003_arcticice07m.html
http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/sciencetech/arctic-ice-cap-could-disappear-in-20-years/264
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/10/24/1066631611744.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSN0122477020070501
http://wordpress.com/tag/arctic-ice-cap/
http://redhotresources.blogspot.com/2008/04/melting-arctic-ice-cap-in-pictures.html
http://www.nowpublic.com/environment/arctic-ice-cap-melts-twice-size-france
http://digg.com/world_news/Google_Earth_shows_Arctic_Ice_Cap_now_COMPLETELY_G ONE
http://www.divephotoguide.com/index.php?cmd=search&tag=arctic%20ice%20cap%20shri nking
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-483055/Arctic-ice-caps-shrink-smallest-size.html
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?objectid=10482139
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article103124.ece
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/12/13/tech/main3613698.shtml?source=mostpop_story
http://environmentaldefenseblogs.org/climate411/2007/10/04/arctic_ice_shrinking/
http://www.freakingnews.com/Arctic-Oil-Pictures--1557.asp
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/aug/10/climatechange.arctic?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront
http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/997702/an/0/page/0
http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmental-news/latest/baffin-ice-cap-47012902
http://www.igloo.org/thewatercooler/internat
http://www.popsci.com/environment/article/2008-06/google-earth-environment-guide?page=3
http://www.burlingtonnews.net/hollowearth.html
http://9.dwclexxa.com/4d
http://benmuse.typepad.com/ben_muse/arctic/
http://discovermagazine.com/2004/feb/ice-cap-melteth
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1111569,00.html
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2007/10/antarctica-ice-cap-growth-reaches.html

Read these and report back.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1218995140.jpg

john70t 08-17-2008 09:51 AM

Stay on track. You can do it.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1218995457.gif
(edit hmm...no A.D.D. .gif image)

island911 08-17-2008 09:56 AM

you climate crisis chicken littles lather rinse and repeat the few stories that can infer to your cause.

how's it go . .? .. you don't need a weatherman to tell you the weather outside your window.

You guys and your "information" are just pathetic.

Mule 08-17-2008 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by john70t (Post 4124680)
I commend your valient uphill stuggle with reality. Must be a nice padded place to exist.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003873003_arcticice07m.html
http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/sciencetech/arctic-ice-cap-could-disappear-in-20-years/264
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/10/24/1066631611744.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSN0122477020070501
http://wordpress.com/tag/arctic-ice-cap/
http://redhotresources.blogspot.com/2008/04/melting-arctic-ice-cap-in-pictures.html
http://www.nowpublic.com/environment/arctic-ice-cap-melts-twice-size-france
http://digg.com/world_news/Google_Earth_shows_Arctic_Ice_Cap_now_COMPLETELY_G ONE
http://www.divephotoguide.com/index.php?cmd=search&tag=arctic%20ice%20cap%20shri nking
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-483055/Arctic-ice-caps-shrink-smallest-size.html
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?objectid=10482139
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article103124.ece
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/12/13/tech/main3613698.shtml?source=mostpop_story
http://environmentaldefenseblogs.org/climate411/2007/10/04/arctic_ice_shrinking/
http://www.freakingnews.com/Arctic-Oil-Pictures--1557.asp
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/aug/10/climatechange.arctic?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront
http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/997702/an/0/page/0
http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmental-news/latest/baffin-ice-cap-47012902
http://www.igloo.org/thewatercooler/internat
http://www.popsci.com/environment/article/2008-06/google-earth-environment-guide?page=3
http://www.burlingtonnews.net/hollowearth.html
http://9.dwclexxa.com/4d
http://benmuse.typepad.com/ben_muse/arctic/
http://discovermagazine.com/2004/feb/ice-cap-melteth
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1111569,00.html
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2007/10/antarctica-ice-cap-growth-reaches.html

Read these and report back.

All of your articles have a common theme, fear over what some moonbat THINKS MIGHT HAPPEN. My article is a little more grounded in fact. I know that may be a term you are unfamiliar with. I hope this helps.

fact (fkt)
n.
1. Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: an account based on fact; a blur of fact and fancy.
2.
a. Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed: Genetic engineering is now a fact. That Chaucer was a real person is an undisputed fact.
b. A real occurrence; an event: had to prove the facts of the case.
c. Something believed to be true or real: a document laced with mistaken facts.
3. A thing that has been done, especially a crime: an accessory before the fact.
4. Law The aspect of a case at law comprising events determined by evidence: The jury made a finding of fact.
Idiom:
in (point of) fact
In reality or in truth; actually.

Seahawk 08-17-2008 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by john70t (Post 4124707)
Stay on track. You can do it.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1218995457.gif
(edit hmm...no A.D.D. .gif image)

The second to the last link was from 2005, but then the last link:

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2007/10/antarctica-ice-cap-growth-reaches.html

Not sure where you were going...mixed message, Climate ADD?

kstar 08-17-2008 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by john70t (Post 4124680)
I commend your valient uphill stuggle with reality. Must be a nice padded place to exist.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003873003_arcticice07m.html
http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/sciencetech/arctic-ice-cap-could-disappear-in-20-years/264
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/10/24/1066631611744.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSN0122477020070501
http://wordpress.com/tag/arctic-ice-cap/
http://redhotresources.blogspot.com/2008/04/melting-arctic-ice-cap-in-pictures.html
http://www.nowpublic.com/environment/arctic-ice-cap-melts-twice-size-france
http://digg.com/world_news/Google_Earth_shows_Arctic_Ice_Cap_now_COMPLETELY_G ONE
http://www.divephotoguide.com/index.php?cmd=search&tag=arctic%20ice%20cap%20shri nking
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-483055/Arctic-ice-caps-shrink-smallest-size.html
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?objectid=10482139
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article103124.ece
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/12/13/tech/main3613698.shtml?source=mostpop_story
http://environmentaldefenseblogs.org/climate411/2007/10/04/arctic_ice_shrinking/
http://www.freakingnews.com/Arctic-Oil-Pictures--1557.asp
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/aug/10/climatechange.arctic?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront
http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/997702/an/0/page/0
http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmental-news/latest/baffin-ice-cap-47012902
http://www.igloo.org/thewatercooler/internat
http://www.popsci.com/environment/article/2008-06/google-earth-environment-guide?page=3
http://www.burlingtonnews.net/hollowearth.html
http://9.dwclexxa.com/4d
http://benmuse.typepad.com/ben_muse/arctic/
http://discovermagazine.com/2004/feb/ice-cap-melteth
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1111569,00.html
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2007/10/antarctica-ice-cap-growth-reaches.html

Read these and report back.

From top to bottom, dates of publication of the above articles:

1) September 7, 2007
2) Wed, Sep 5, 2007
3) October 24, 2003
4) Tue May 1, 2007
5) 4 October 2007 (had to link to referenced blog)
6) April 27, 2008 (Fairly current!)
7) January 24, 2008
8) No date; shows Arctic Cap totally gone . . . and all clouds too! It's a Google Map. :rolleyes:
9) *No article found*
10) 21 September 2007
11) Thursday December 13, 2007
12) 29 Sep 2005
13) Dec. 13, 2007
14) October 4, 2007
15) 8/2/2007 - I don't see the import of this photo contest?
16) Sunday August 10 2008 (Current)
17) 09/10/07
18) 1.29.2008
19) Nov16, 2007
20) 06.13.2008 (Current)
21) Relevance? Nice pics, jokingly (I think) showing proof of "hollow earth" theory.
22) Broken Link for me.
23) August 16, 2008 - Aerial polar bear hunting blog entry.
24) Feb., 2004
25) Thursday, Sep. 29, 2005
26) THURSDAY, OCTOBER 11, 2007 - This link actually shows record Antarctic ice growth!

FYI, FWIW.

Best,

kstar 08-17-2008 10:55 AM

Here's a link to the article which Mule's post referenced:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/15/goddard_arctic_ice_mystery/

An image from that article:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1218999299.jpg

FYI.

70SWT 08-17-2008 10:55 AM

I think it will progressively become more apparent that we just don't have enough data to assume that global warming exists, much less due to human influences.

The span of time that we have been tracking temperatures is less than a blink of an eye in the grand scheme of world climate change.

The global warming mania isn't very good science. It's a theory, nothing more. But, it makes great media fodder.

kstar 08-17-2008 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RSflared72E (Post 4124776)
I think it will progressively become more apparent that we just don't have enough data to assume that global warming exists, much less due to human influences.

The span of time that we have been tracking temperatures is less than a blink of an eye in the grand scheme of world climate change.

The global warming mania isn't very good science. It's a theory, nothing more. But, it makes great media fodder.

I agree, but would not grant the current mania "theory" status; it's certainly a valid hypothesis. :D

rammstein 08-17-2008 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rsflared72e (Post 4124776)
i Think It Will Progressively Become More Apparent That We Just Don't Have Enough Data To Assume That Global Warming Exists, Much Less Due To Human Influences.

The Span Of Time That We Have Been Tracking Temperatures Is Less Than A Blink Of An Eye In The Grand Scheme Of World Climate Change.

The Global Warming Mania Isn't Very Good Science. It's A Theory, Nothing More. But, It Makes Great Media Fodder.

Stop Thinking!!!!!!!!

Mule 08-17-2008 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rammstein (Post 4124837)
Stop Thinking!!!!!!!!

So that's how lefties do it!

djmcmath 08-17-2008 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RSflared72E (Post 4124776)
The global warming mania isn't very good science. It's a theory, nothing more. But, it makes great media fodder.

Careful with that "theory" word -- gravity is a "theory" too...

jmshepard 08-17-2008 02:59 PM

Here are a couple of more recent articles (June 2008).

The Headline: North Pole May Be Ice-Free for First Time This Summer
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/06/080620-north-pole.html

The Headline: Expert: Arctic polar cap may disappear this summer
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-03/01/content_7696460.htm

Read these and report back.

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Mule 08-17-2008 03:15 PM

This just in! June now later than August, by decree of Algore.

Shaun @ Tru6 08-17-2008 03:20 PM

"The author, Steven Goddard, is not affiliated directly or indirectly with any energy industry, nor does he have any current affiliation with any university."

Who is the author? What is his background?

Can someone please post this information.


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