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rammstein 08-17-2008 07:43 PM

How can I get this?
 
What is the cheapest way for me to get a car that makes sounds like this?

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pwd72s 08-17-2008 07:45 PM

Buy one thatr has been totaled with a good engine. Park in your driveway, go "vroom-vroom"...

Jim Sims 08-17-2008 07:46 PM

http://automobiletest.com/news/2007/BMWexhaust.htm

rammstein 08-17-2008 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pwd72s (Post 4125468)
Buy one thatr has been totaled with a good engine. Park in your driveway, go "vroom-vroom"...

A startlingly realistic answer! :D

Now why does that car sound so awesome? What makes cars like this sound so freakin amazing?

legion 08-17-2008 07:54 PM

If you thought a 951 was high maintenance...

legion 08-17-2008 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rammstein (Post 4125479)
A startlingly realistic answer! :D

Now why does that car sound so awesome? What makes cars like this sound so freakin amazing?

12 cylinders and a ridiculous red line.

rammstein 08-17-2008 08:02 PM

I want 12 cylinders with a ridiculous redline then.

legion 08-17-2008 08:09 PM

Find two totaled Trailblazers...and learn to weld. :D

nostatic 08-17-2008 08:25 PM

just buy a decent modern motorcycle with a good set of pipes on it. A hell of a lot cheaper and you can get some sick sounds out of it. 17K redline anyone?

legion 08-17-2008 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny_Ocean (Post 4125517)
There's one of these sitting at a dealer here in Deerfield Beach. I'll go halfsies...you get it odd-numbered weekends, I get it on the evens. We'll flip for holidays (or we can just hot-wire the one at the SwapShop):

http://www.carchaos.com/ferrari/ferr...0_rearleft.jpg

That has a twin-turbo V8.

Oh, and the oil filter is between the intake manifold and the engine block.

Come to think of it, get an early 90's Jag. That will get you the V12. Another $50k of engine and suspension work should make it drivable and get that high red line.

Danny_Ocean 08-17-2008 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by legion (Post 4125564)
That has a twin-turbo V8.

I know, but it has "the sound"...

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javadog 08-18-2008 03:50 AM

That Lambo sounds like that because it is running without mufflers. They sound quite a bit different with mufflers. That car is supposed to have a red line of 7,500. The earlier ones were good to 8,000. He may be twisting it a little higher than he should. Judging from the smoke in the first part of the video, he is running it too hard when cold, so the owner is probably a twat. In fact, I can guarantee that, as nobody with a brain does that to a car.

JR

ramonesfreak 08-18-2008 04:08 AM

you found my favorite youtube video

my bike has a similar sound. not quite as loud, but similar and cheap

lendaddy 08-18-2008 04:35 AM

Tape some kazoos over your tailpipes?

http://www.aues21.dsl.pipex.com/imag...asticKazoo.jpg

rammstein 08-18-2008 05:59 AM

I had a crown victoria with no mufflers. It didn't sound like that :(

So... could you fit a V12 in a 944?

sammyg2 08-18-2008 06:26 AM

From wiki:
Quote:

There are two classic types of V8s which differ by crankshaft:

The cross-plane or two-plane crankshaft is the configuration used in most V8 road cars. Each crank pin (of four) is at a 90° angle from the previous, so that viewed from the end the crankshaft forms a cross. The cross-plane can achieve very good balance but requires heavy counterweights on the crankshaft. This makes the cross-plane V8 a slow-revving engine that cannot speed up or slow down very quickly compared to other designs, because of the greater rotating mass. While the firing of the cross-plane V8 is regular overall, the firing of each bank is LRLLRLRR. In stock cars with dual exhausts, this results in the typical V8 burble sound that many people have come to associate with powerful engines. In all-out racing cars it leads to the need to connect exhaust pipes between the two banks to design an optimal exhaust system, resulting in an exhaust system that resembles a bundle of snakes as in the Ford GT40. This complex and encumbering exhaust system has been a major problem for single-seater racing car designers, so they tend to use flat-plane crankshafts instead.
The flat-plane or single-plane crankshaft has crank pins at 180°. They are imperfectly balanced and thus produce vibrations unless balance shafts are used, with a counter rotating pair flanking the crankshaft to counter second order vibration transverse to the crankshaft centerline. As it does not require counterweights, the crankshaft has less mass and thus inertia, allowing higher rpm and quicker acceleration. The design was popularized in modern racing with the Coventry Climax 1.5 L (~92 CID) V8 that evolved from a cross-plane to a flat-plane configuration. Flat-plane V8s on road cars come from Ferrari (the Dino), Lotus (the Esprit V8), and TVR (the Speed Eight). This design is popular in racing engines, the most famous example being the Cosworth DFV.[9]

Mo_Gearhead 08-18-2008 07:11 AM

...and a two-cycle bike engine would probably belch less oil smoke.:p

rammstein 08-18-2008 08:09 AM

Sammy- awesome post! That's sort of what I was looking for... I wondered why a v8 mustang sounds so completely different than a ferrari v8. Good readin!

masraum 08-18-2008 08:11 AM

If you guys want to hear some sounds that'll send chills down your spine....

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This commercial rocks.

Aerkuld 08-18-2008 08:51 AM

You could try a sport bike?

That's what I used to love about my FZR400 - the sound and the revs. It wasn't a super fast bike but it did sound good and sounded way better hitting the red line than my ex did hitting hers.

rammstein 08-18-2008 09:40 AM

The sportbike route scares me for a few reasons:

1) I live in south florida. You are in danger of being hit by a car even in your bedroom.
2) I would probably be wanting to race it on a track within a year of owning it

But I catch myself gandering at sportbikes now and then. Its amazing- seems like $10k gets you a pretty awesome bike. I dunno, can I safely take one to a track?

YTNUKLR 08-18-2008 10:47 AM

It's just a risk assessment you must feel comfortable with. You might be able to safely track a sport bike, then again, you might not. You probably won't die if you wear all the good gear. maybe you get hurt though. maybe nothing, ever. do you feel lucky?

i have never felt so mortal as i recently did on a CBR 600RR. 15k rpm made me smile, but i am not comfortable riding a bike on a regular basis. perhaps i am getting old, because i am sort of a risk-taker that now gives the same schpeel you always hear from people: the more time one spends on a motorcycle, the more one increases the chances of getting f**ked up. is that % on your side?

sammyg2 08-18-2008 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rammstein (Post 4126027)
Sammy- awesome post! That's sort of what I was looking for... I wondered why a v8 mustang sounds so completely different than a ferrari v8. Good readin!

LOL unfortunately that wiki quote I posted is not 100% correct.
Like this part:
Quote:

The flat-plane or single-plane crankshaft has crank pins at 180°. They are imperfectly balanced and thus produce vibrations unless balance shafts are used, with a counter rotating pair flanking the crankshaft to counter second order vibration transverse to the crankshaft centerline. As it does not require counterweights, the crankshaft has less mass and thus inertia, allowing higher rpm and quicker acceleration.
Anyone spot the error in that? SmileWavy

javadog 08-18-2008 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rammstein (Post 4126237)
The sportbike route scares me for a few reasons.... I dunno, can I safely take one to a track?

No.

Track days are full of idiots, with more testosterone than talent. Nobody I know who races will go near one. Even in santioned racing series, where everybody on the track has vastly greater skill and better equipment than the average track day junkie, people die. A rider was killed this weekend at the AMA nationals at VIR.

My suggestion is that you steer clear of bikes if they scare you.

JR

Superman 08-18-2008 11:17 AM

After listening to the video, I'd agree with Nostatic. Some of today's motorcycles make that "swarm of bees" noise.

javadog 08-18-2008 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 4126465)
LOL unfortunately that wiki quote I posted is not 100% correct.
Like this part:


Anyone spot the error in that? SmileWavy

Well, what he really means by "transverse" is the horizontal component of the shaking force. Also, these cranks do have counterweights to deal with the primary rotating forces. Also, I don't see that crank as the limiting factor in engine speed....etc.

Wikipedia entries are written by anybody willing to do so, qualified or not.

JR

PS. The vibrations aren't that bad, so you can throw out the need for the balance shafts, too.

Az911 08-18-2008 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nostatic (Post 4125520)
just buy a decent modern motorcycle with a good set of pipes on it. A hell of a lot cheaper and you can get some sick sounds out of it. 17K redline anyone?

4cyl sport bikes never sound as exotic as a tune v12

javadog 08-18-2008 11:44 AM

An MV Agusta F4 isn't bad...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-Rnaa5HZ0Q

JR

Az911 08-18-2008 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by javadog (Post 4126586)
An MV Agusta F4 isn't bad...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-Rnaa5HZ0Q

JR

Not enough cylinders to sound as cool as the lambo

sammyg2 08-18-2008 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by javadog (Post 4126548)
Well, what he really means by "transverse" is the horizontal component of the shaking force. Also, these cranks do have counterweights to deal with the primary rotating forces. Also, I don't see that crank as the limiting factor in engine speed....etc.

Wikipedia entries are written by anybody willing to do so, qualified or not.

JR

PS. The vibrations aren't that bad, so you can throw out the need for the balance shafts, too.

The author stated that the single-plane crankshaft doesn't need counterweights so it's lighter and spins up faster, but he also says that it needs counter-balance shafts which tend to be heavy by design and their inertia will slow down the rate of speed change.
Contradicted himself.

javadog 08-18-2008 12:17 PM

True, but the simpler thing is that both a 90 degree crank and a 180 degree crank need counterweights for the same reason, to deal with the primary rotating forces, so there is no difference between them in that respect.

I've never seen a 180 degree V8 crank without counterweights. I've also never seen a V8 using a 180 degree crank that has a counterbalance shaft. So, you can pretty much throw out that whole paragraph.

JR

sammyg2 08-18-2008 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by javadog (Post 4126672)
True, but the simpler thing is that both a 90 degree crank and a 180 degree crank need counterweights for the same reason, to deal with the primary rotating forces, so there is no difference between them in that respect.

I've never seen a 180 degree V8 crank without counterweights. I've also never seen a V8 using a 180 degree crank that has a counterbalance shaft. So, you can pretty much throw out that whole paragraph.

JR

Yep. the only thing that complicates the whole picture is when we start talking about the Porsche 917 180 degree flat V12. I don't believe it had counterweights ;)

serge944 08-18-2008 01:55 PM

Comparing Japanese 2-wheeled sewing machines to Italian sports cars? Far fetched.

javadog 08-18-2008 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 4126790)
Yep. the only thing that complicates the whole picture is when we start talking about the Porsche 917 180 degree flat V12. I don't believe it had counterweights ;)

Sure it did. So did the 16 cylinder version. Here's a pic of a crank installed in a case half.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1219101676.jpg


JR

Zeke 08-18-2008 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by javadog (Post 4125692)
That Lambo sounds like that because it is running without mufflers. They sound quite a bit different with mufflers. That car is supposed to have a red line of 7,500. The earlier ones were good to 8,000. He may be twisting it a little higher than he should. Judging from the smoke in the first part of the video, he is running it too hard when cold, so the owner is probably a twat. In fact, I can guarantee that, as nobody with a brain does that to a car.

JR

Twat, probably. But, 8 grand with a 12 sounds like 12 grand with an 8. (If you can get the 180 degree exhaust thing worked out.) Think IRL car.

ramonesfreak 08-18-2008 04:08 PM

the countach vid has been one of my favs for a while. the ferrari commercial has also

this is another, one of the better in-car vids on youtube. love this sound ..lambo miura

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and this is excellento

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quaz 08-18-2008 04:50 PM

Greatest movie soundtrack of all time!!!!!
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javadog 08-18-2008 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milt (Post 4127119)
Twat, probably. But, 8 grand with a 12 sounds like 12 grand with an 8. (If you can get the 180 degree exhaust thing worked out.) Think IRL car.

I approve of your multiplication but an IRL car has one of the worst sounds ever.

There is more to sound quality than meets the eye (ear?) Take an early example of the Ferrari V8, which sounds a little dull and low in pitch. The newer ones sound great and have a much higher pitch, like a 12. They are nothing alike.

Of course, it doesn't hurt that Ferrari now spends quite a bit of time working on the sound of their exhausts, which is something they didn't do in the old days.

One of the most wicked sounds on the planet comes from a Carrera GT.

JR

Shaun @ Tru6 08-18-2008 07:06 PM

not for those with ADD, you have to sit back and relax to listen to this: 1953 BRM Supercharged 1.5L V16

EDIT: and turn your sound all the way up.

javadog 08-18-2008 07:14 PM

That from Nick Mason's CD?

JR


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