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You know, I love the way they work on those old F1 cars out in the open, seemingly in the middle of a muddy field. It does make them look low-tech and simple. I have to say that the looks are probably deceptive. Those late 60's / early 70's F1 cars, alot of them with their DFV engines, used mechanical fuel injection which needed a whole range of different mechanical parts to swap around adjust how they behaved for optimum performance. With a modern car you just hook up a computer and select a different map. There are a lot of things that were far more complicated on those old cars than you would think.
I was thinking about this thread driving home this evening and the comment about it being Colin Chapmans fault (which I thought was funny). In some ways though this might be true as by painting his cars in a corporate color scheme and bringing sponsorship onto the scene, he started to turn racing into much more of a profit making business with serious amounts of money at stake. Before that it was very much a manufactures battle with little more than bragging rights as the prize. What do you think? |
There was a push to shore up poor market performance by AMC in the late 60's thru the late 70's and one effort was the Penske F 5000 and Bobby Allsion NASCAR (also Penske) Matador and another was Warner Hodgen and Mike Curb taking a stock block AMC Turbo to Indy. One of these involved some hanky panky in the City of Industry with the tax payers footing the bill.
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this thread is getting me excited for the vintage grand prix at the Glen in a few weeks. :p
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OK, here's Donahue's first F1 car at The Glen; broke something and DNF'd.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1219506284.jpg Jochen Rindt - Glen http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1219506378.jpg One of Mark's other cars - Bridgehampton http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1219506462.jpg And another http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1219506570.jpg Chris Amon, I think http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1219506657.jpg |
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I think Parnelli Jones drove the #15, this may be George Follmer http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1219507177.jpg Clay Raggazoni on Glen skidpad http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1219507219.jpg Brabham, I think, early 70s at Glen http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1219507261.jpg |
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Dan Gurney's Plymouth at Bridegehampton
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1219685445.jpg Mark Donahue Javelin with Penske on pit board - Bridgehampton http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1219685659.jpg Jo Siffert 908 at The Glen http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1219685764.jpg One of the first 917s in US at the Glen - correct me if I'm wrong http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1219685822.jpg |
For Sir Jackie Stewart fans:
CanAm Lola http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1219686094.jpg This IS a Matra, I think http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1219686131.jpg Tyrrell http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1219686156.jpg And Sir Jack Brabham http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1219686278.jpg |
Wow!! I'm not sure how I'd missed this thread to this point. I love the old cars even though they were before me (DoB 1970). The new ones are amazing, but they are no where near as sexy or visceral as the early cars. Some great photos here. I occassionaly lurk on the vintage portion of atlasf1.com. I'll have to check out the ferrarichat thread. Keep it up guys.
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WOWOWO man that 917 at the Glen photo is wicked awsome.
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I dream on this site from time to time
http://www.race-cars.com/index.htm http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/ot...53629989lc.jpg |
David Hobbs CanAm at the Glen
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1219779853.jpg This may be Jim Hall at Bridgehampton, Ed Leslie also drove one of these. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1219779959.jpg Remains of Graham Hill's Lotus at The Glen, no serious injury as I recall http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1219780035.jpg John Wyer's Ford GT40 at the Glen http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1219780071.jpg |
Al Holbert's CRC March CanAM
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1219780566.jpg Tom Smother's Carrera 6 at the Glen http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1219780621.jpg Lothar Motschenbacher - Bridgehampton http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1219780710.jpg 917 on back straight at Sebring http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1219780781.jpg Tony Dean? I'm guessing http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1219781311.jpg |
I just have to thank you for taking the trouble of posting these.
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Vern, those are some great photos! Please keep posting more. I was at a lot of those same races and I'm really enjoying your collection. SmileWavy
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I hope this thread has not gone too far off track; I mean the original poster talked about Indy and Formula cars. He did mention some of the CanAm and TransAm drivers though, so I'll keep looking. These are slides stored in boxes and might otherwise never have been seen again. Keeps me out of other kinds of trouble, too.
Emmo at the Glen http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1219814851.jpg Uh oh http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1219814975.jpg Ferrari prep after practice http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1219815045.jpg And this IS George Follmer, with Parnelli Jones - mid 70's - check out the trou http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1219815116.jpg |
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This thread brought back a lot of memories. The first race I ever attended was the inaugural California 500 at Ontario Motor Speedway. It was the first of many.
The date was September 6, 1970, Labor Day weekend...our seats were in turn 4 where A. J. Foyt hit the wall. I kept the poster I bought:cool: Sorry for lame phone pic. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1219853777.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1219853802.jpg Pic of AJ after the wreck (I did not take it). http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1219853826.jpg |
Doh, of course it's a Mirage, it says that right on the side. Maybe I should back off to my "no specifics" postings, or put away the wine.
However, I KNOW this was at the Airport in Reading, PA http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1219899852.jpg At the Glen http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1219899947.jpg Pretty sure this is Jo Bonnier in the CanAm McLaren http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1219899974.jpg And Mr. McLaren himself http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1219900537.jpg |
At Penske's shop in Media, PA
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1220039263.jpg This is probably the tub of the CanAm car http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1220039296.jpg Chassis detail http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1220039350.jpg Spare F1 motor (Cosworth, maybe?) at Mosport http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1220039373.jpg |
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Just want to chime in that I am also enjoying your posts and pictures Vern, please keep them coming.
Reminds me of the days at Riverside, wish I had gone there more. And now for something completely different: :D http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1220041354.jpg |
Scott, that's actually a pretty old car. I think it's the 2006 model. Can't see the helmet to see who is driving though.
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Funny, I noticed it didn't have the ugly dorsal fin like many of the new cars... it was just one of the few F1 cars I had on my hard drive.
another: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1220041836.jpg |
Bahahahahahahaha!
A French Ferrari with seahorses on the crest? Super rare citroen only model. I head Enzo secretly had an affair with a frenchy. Maybe an heir to Citroen? http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1220043029.jpg |
I just found this, there's a whole slew of videos from the 60's that appear to be from someone's personal stash.
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Sebring mid 70's
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1220069070.jpg Refueling pre-firesuits http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1220069097.jpg Only a guess: #4 908? #48 Lotus, Cooper, Elva? http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1220069183.jpg Young Mario at Trenton (NJ) Speedway 1969 http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1220069331.jpg |
Great pics, Lyle. Thanks!
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FANTASTIC photo's Vern ... thanks for sharing !!!!!
Please keep them coming, youv'e got some real treasure there. |
Mark Donohue's F1 line thru the last turn at Mosport. I asked him later why he took a chance on running over the curb stones - "that's where the line was"
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1220374153.jpg Al Holbert's crew reinstalling the engine at Sebring http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1220374382.jpg John Surtees and Rob Walker at the Glen http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1220374424.jpg |
Porsche 1-2-3 finish at Watkins Glen 6-Hour
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1220374809.jpg 904 at '74 Pocono Parade http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1220374841.jpg Jim Haas' RSk at Riesentoter autocross http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1220374883.jpg Hans Stuck and Sam Posey BMW at Sebring http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1220374945.jpg |
I'm not quitting, really. Getting ready for SCCA Solo II Nationals next week and just blew the motor today in a practice session. There will be more pictures.
Night practice at Sebring http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1220848670.jpg Listening to a master http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1220849063.jpg Bert Everitt after practice with his U2L winner at Sebring '68 http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1220849891.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1220849916.jpg |
WOW!!! what a christmas find!! I had not seen this before, so thought I would bring it up front again for other newbies like me to enjoy. A special thanks to Vern Lyle for all the great Pics and to Milt /Zeke for getting it started.
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Awesome photos Vern!
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Watkins Glen. Early 70's. Camped on the back straight near where the chicane is now. Mark Donahue in his 12 cylinder Porsche there and gone before you even saw second place car - first lap. Those were the days. Today everything is comparatively vanilla. COTA etc. Colin Chapman, Ken Tyrrell. Roger Penske, Bruce McLaren, Ferrari, Hall Chaparral.....and more. Those were the glory days. It's just business now.
Kevin Buckler is one of the few who actually puts his heart into the sport today. He has 5 cars at Daytona again! |
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Boy, excellent thread! Had not seen it when it started but love the old cars.
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Yeah, this thread turned out OK. No politics, no carping at each other.
Joe, go back to the first page. There's a link to a thread on Ferrari Chat. I hope it's still good. |
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