I Won't forgive Myself, but Hope You will
 

I feel so dirty.

Last night, as I was boiling some pasta for dinner, I watched the History Channel. A program came on that outlined the work of a twelfth-century engineer named Al Jazari. He lived in what is now Iraq.

In hindsight, I can now see that this program was a clever attempt on the part of the liberal media (you guys are sooooo right) to indoctrinate me into hateful and anti-American thinking. You see, the program was very impressive from a technical perspective. This Al Jazari fellow was, according to the program, frighteningly clever. He invented a bunch of stuff we have arguably "re-invented" lately (their term).

So anyway, I now realize that this guy was almost certainly a Muslim (which as you guys have vigorously pointed out is a synomym for "terrorist"). And an Iraqi. It is with great embarrassment to admit to you guys I found myself admiring his inventions. I know now that he must have been a hateful and treacherous enemy of the world. And I know our new goal is to wipe Muslims from the face of the planet. But I wonder how I can re-arrange my thinking to conclude he was not that smart. You see, objectively, it appears as though he WAS smart. In fact, it appears that the Muslim world at that time was quite academic and creative. Sure, I know you guys' position.......that Muslims are virtually uncivilized and backward, and that their level of education and understanding is Neanderthal compared to ours, but I wonder how I can reconcile that with the fact that this Muslim inventor was way ahead of the machines we use today.

Should I just shoot myself in the head? In case I allow myself to live another day, what term is worse......"liberal" or "Muslim?"

Museral?

No, don't shoot yourself in the head.

We will forgive you if you'll just calm down a minute...

...and forgive yourself. :D

What kinda stuff did they say he invented?

Did he wipe with toilet paper or his bare hand? Maybe that is why you feel so "dirty".

Ask her: Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

It will be ok as long as you have HOPE.

But was his shop union?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Jazari

Then there's Alhazen.

It took you long enough to see the light. That the final solution to the Muslim problem should be their elimination from Western society as they are nothing but vermin bent on the corruption of our essence.. If GW Bush has the right to send good American boys into battle and their possible deaths, he certainly has the right to wipe out the vermin that dilutes our essence of national character.

Good for You Super... now it is up to you to join with us in the Republican Party and NRA to carry out America's divine mission to bring peace, freedom and democracy to the rest of the humanity. The ones who oppose our divine mission will be eliminated as being unfit for our good offices.

If the USA should fail in it's divine mission then the USA will have proved to be too weak and would be undeserving of its divine mission and should be left to its fate. Of being devoured by the vermin of the world.

"The purity of essence of our precious bodily fluids"???

Devine?

:confused::confused:

Here all this time I thought is was the Muslim religion's primary objective to irradiate all Infidels... It is their religion that is (still) invasive, not the rest of the World's. I'm additionally perplexed at why you often talk as though the US is the only Country that is or has been affected by Muslim-backed terrorism.

Also, why would/should their way of life or education ("uncivilized and backward" or otherwise) make any difference? We get along just fine with the Amish. I wonder why? Oh yeah, the don't hold the belief that all non-Amish must die. Why should other non-Muslim civilizations be punished because they have progressed, and not remained stagnant or even regressed? Those are the questions you should be asking, instead of feeling sorry for yourself and your political party by spouting woe-is-me BS.

Where is Peoria, AZ?

I want to drink the water there:cool:

Nah, we know better than to drink the water here. Enviroment-crushing water bottles all the way! :D

Eric, I think you missed it. Sure, I know that radical Muslim fundamentalists take the position that all Infidels must be eradicated. The observation that gave rise to this thread is not this belief but rather the belief of some folks here that all Muslims should be eradicated. Muslim = Terrorist. I think you're smart, Eric. I think you can cogently evaluate this assertion (Muslim = Terrorist).

Eric,

Supe likes to argue with imaginary foes - usually designated by "you guys" or "you folks" or "some folks." Don't read too much into it.

I don't recall him being shorted in the history classes I have taken. I knew who he was, and what he did.

The Problem is that due to issues we have had between the northern European world, and the muslim word have caused a bunch of problems on the transfer of knowledge.

And indeed a few of his devices were "reinvented" by other people later.

The Muslims held the words knowledge for a long time. If it hadn't been for them, the dark ages would have been a much longer darker period I think.

Can you truly say they are making the most of their legacy? I don't think they are.

What the hell can she possibly know that would compare to what The Brain of Steel saw on the History channel?

Say "12 hail Marys" and rub your rosary beads 15 times before bed and perhaps you TOO can be SAY-YAVVED!

Ah have SEE-YEN the LAWRD'S powah! Naw beee-yah...a GOOD BOYAH, and vote for a republican raht A-WAY! And put a large check marked to my personal bank account in the mail right away.

No wait- put the check in the mail first and then vote for those republicans... gotta keep those conservative priorities straight!

N

Nothing at all wrong with the twelfth century. Not a thing. Just good not to be stuck in it.

You know things have moved forward a bit - freeing of the serfs, reformations, enlightenments, modernity. Not all bad stuff. I for one am not feeling guilty we have gone in that direction..SmileWavy

As far as contributions to mankind - the muslims are left wanting. Way back in the day, they probably did have incredible success and contributed mightily to the wealth of human knowedge. Lately, however, they pretty much suck.

For instance - more books are translated into Spanish in a single year than have been translated into Arabic in the last thousand (that's directly from a 2002 UN report). And Mein Kampf is owned by more Muslims than Germans.

In the last year, less than 100 patents were awarded to the whole of the muslim population. Meanwhile, South Korea was awarded over 20,000.

The combined 2007 GDP for every country in the Arab League plus Iran (not a member of the Arab League) was $1.7 trillion. The GDP for Italy - $1.7 trillion.

I'm sure that Iraqi engineer is amazing. I'm sure that among the other 1 billion muslims there are many wonderful scientists, scholars, and doctors. But for a group that is 1 billion strong, they need to pick up the freakin' pace!!!