The Speech from Hype and Change
 

When the McCain people get finished with Obamas speech he is going to feel like a young Muslim boy lost in an Iranian village. His but is going to be sooo big, he had sooo many false statements, it will be fun to watch
Hype and Change, Hype and Change, the sheep were orgasmic.

Examples please.

No, you heard and and are one of the orgasmic sheep, just wait.

That's what I thought.

106 examples enough?

# 106 Obama claims he's bi-partisan: voting records prove Obama is #11 most partisan
# 105 Claimed Hillary would be on anyone's short-list; Hillary wasn't on Obama's short-list
# 104 Obama claims abortion rates have not gone down under the Bush Administration; stats show they have gone down
# 103 Obama dismissed Bomber Bill Ayers as "some guy who lives in the neighborhood";they had a close working relationship
# 102 Obama claims there's no charge to attend his acceptance speech: CBS 4 in Denver proves he's lying; some tickets cost $1000
# 101 Obama used being a first-time-buyer to justify consulting with Rezko before he bought his house; BHO had already purchased a residence
# 100 Obama lies about his support for infanticide; campaign concedes in 03 he opposed a bill stopping the killing of kids born alive after abortions
# 99 Obama overstates Oil Industry's contributions to McCain; ignores cash the Oil industry gave BHO; Newsweek debunks
# 98 To belittle America,Obama exaggerated the growth in Debt under the current Administration; debunked by WaPo
# 97 Obama claims President George W Bush had not left the country before he became President; WaPo confirms he's lying
# 96 To promote "green", Obama claimed he drove a vehicle that uses ethanol; GM confirmed the model was NOT ethanol-ready
# 95 Obama claims he's taking his family for a week's rest in Hawaii with no campaigning; schedules a rally for tomorrow
# 94: Obama claims "properly inflating tires" will save as much energy as we could drill offshore; analysis shows not even close
# 93 Obama denies accusing McCain of using race against him; ABC, NYT confirm Obama did accuse McCain of making racial attacks
# 92 Obama claims he's not being political when he's flip-flopping; timing & direction of major flip-flops show he's lying
# 91: Obama INVENTS a wall between Christians and Jews; deceptively omits the major religious wall is caused by a "fatwah" to kill American Christians and Jews
# 90 Obama claims he made a substantive call for Germany to help in Iraq; Berlin speech transcript proves he's lying
# 89: Obama admits he underestimated the decline in violence from the Surge; falsely claims McCain made same mistake
# 88 Obama turned a disappointing crowd of 20,000 into media reports of 200,000
# 87 Obama lied about his father's religious upbringing! half-brother confirms Obama's father was "RAISED Muslim"
# 86 Obama claimed we only made one fundraising trip to Florida during the Primary; Florida papers proved he lied
# 85 Claims reducing obesity to 80's levels would save Medicaid ONE TRILLION DOLLARS; not even close
# 84 To make Iraq/Afghan Wars look bad, Obama claimed demands on Nat Guard personnel hurt flood relief; Guards prove lying
# 83 Claimed due to overseas commitments, too few helecopters were available to help with Midwest flood relief; now concedes not true
# 82 Starting in Iowa, Obama claimed Clinton's healthcare plan would "punish families that couldn't afford healthcare"; NYT calls BS
# 81 Obama claims McCain's tax plan will do nothing to help the middle-class: The Tax Policy Center proves he's lying
# 80 claims the use of an Email with a big red DONATE button is NOT a fundraising solicitation
# 79 Obama claims his trip to Europe was non-political: uses video of Berlin speech to raise money within hours
# 78 Tells NBC that during the debate on the Surge he said the Surge would work in Baghdad; video proves during the debate he said the opposite
# 77 Obama's "Changing World" ad claims he'll fast-track alternatives to oil to stop us buying from hostile nations; "fast track" is totally misleading
# 76 Obama tells Israeli media that he's a member of the Senate Banking Committee; CNN confirms he's delusional
# 75 Obama claims Lou Dobbs caused hate crimes against Latinos to double; the FBI and CNN confirm Obama is lying
# 74 Obama claims the military brass think like he does; top US commanders say his plan for Iraq is unworkable
# 73: Obama promised to filibust FISA; later Obama voted for FISA and now denies changing his position
# 72 Obama belittles Americans claiming we can't speak European languages; he's talking merde; mierda; Scheiße
# 71 Obama denied he accused President Bush of starting the War for political reasons; Russert transcript proves Obama made that false claim
# 70 Obama claims there has been substantial job losses from NAFTA; Independent studies show its at least" job neutral"
# 69 Claimed in Feb 08 he got 90% of funds from donors giving $25, $50; fed filings show he got only about a third from donors below $200
# 68 Obama rewrites history about what specifically he had said during his October 2002 anti-war speech
# 67 Obama claimed in 04 that he had never supported bringing troops out of Iraq; rare video of 03 Teamsters rally shows he's lying
# 66 Obama lied about the softness of the Stock Market to support his false claim the War was being used to distract the public
# 65 To justify move to private funds, Obama claims McCain's campaign is" fuelled" by PACs and Lobbyists; its less than 2% of McCain's money
# 64 Obama's "Dignity" ad claims he "worked his way" thru college and law school; campaign admits only two summer jobs
# 63 Obama's "Dignity" ad gives him credit for reducing Welfare rolls by 80%: he's deceptive as he was opposed to Fed Welfare Reform in '96
# 62 In Obama's The Country I love ad, he takes credit for passing a healthcare bill he did NOT vote for
# 61 Claims he first ran in Chicago as an unendorsed candidate; his '96 election questionnaire proves he had several
# 60 Obama claims he wants a vigorous and open debate on the issues: then goes out of his way to avoid it
# 59 Obama omits key details about a false rumor re video of Michelle's "whitey" rant to justify breaking his public funding promise
# 58 Obama tries to deceive about why he voted "present" more than 100 times in the Illinois Senate; Chicago paper reveals the truth
# 57 Trying to claim patriotism Obama says his grandad signed up the day after Pearl Harbor; army records disagree
# 56 Claims race and party not important to how people vote as they put America first; 93% block vote disproves
# 55 On June 5, Obama stated that Israel must remain undivided; June 6 on CNN he reversed his position, but denied he had done so
# 54 To further his own agenda, Obama grossly overstates the number of potential African-American votes in MS, GA, SC
# 53 Promise of $2500 reduction in Healthcare premiums needs billions in Admin cost savings by 2012: not possible
# 52 Obama omits to mention his 3 week trip to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan until it slips out trying to out-do Clinton
# 51 Obama claims McCain wants to wage a lengthy war in Iraq: Video proves Obama's lying
# 50 Obama claimed he never prayed in a mosque; his campaign had to retract that statement
# 49 Obama dishonestly used endorsements in ads to pump up his healthcare plan
# 48 Claims he never discussed politics with Pastor; rebutted by photo of Obama with team of lobbyists led by Wright
# 47 Obama, an expert at parsing words, claimed he wasn't familiar with the word "Clintonian"; then changed his story
# 46 Despite reeking of cigarettes, Obama denied smoking to ABC; now admits smoking on MSNBC
# 45 Obama said he'd meet unconditionally with Leader of Iran: now claims he "didn't have Ahmadinejad in mind"
# 44 Obama claims he is using public financing to avoid special interests: WSJ nails his switcheroo
# 43 Obama's rhetoric claims more young black men in jail than college: BoJ Stats disprove
# 42 Claims he never said he was a proponent of single-payer universal healthcare; Video proves he did
# 41 Obama claims remarks to industrialists were greeted with silence, shows he can deliver tough message: video of ovation
# 40 Obamas claim you dont rip opponents & leave on roadside:he did to Alice Palmer
# 39 Obama denies saying Indiana could be tie-breaker: he did
# 38 Obama omits that Pastor Wright led divestiture campaign from Israel
# 37 Obama claims Church not controversial; he knew it was controversial since 86
# 36 Lied about intention of taking US out of NAFTA
# 35 Obamas claim poverty growing up: both distort reality
# 34 Obama denies meeting Saddam's Auchi; sworn Fed. witness places Obama at undisclosed party for Auchi at Rezkos
# 33 Obama lies about not attacking Clinton over her Bosnia lies
# 32 Obama claims he passed ethics reform; ABC News shows he lied
# 31 Obama says he's consistently opposed NAFTA; in October 2007 he supported expansion to Peru
# 30 Obama claims he's above dirty political tricks; Clinton proves he lies
# 29 Obama claims his "bitter" remarks were mangled; then repeats attacks on guns religion and angry people
# 28 Obama claims never said he wouldn't wear US flag-pin; video shows he did
# 27 Obama says he did no favors for Rezko;untrue; he lobbied for him
# 26 Changes story repeatedly re Rezko's help in buying mansion
# 25 Obama claims he never supported a ban on handguns; he has twice
# 24 Obama claims stays at UCC as Pastor acknowledged comments were inappropriate; Wright never made this statement
# 23 Campaign is beholden to "only the people" as unlike McCain/Clinton he does not take lobbyist /PAC money; LIES!
# 22 Claims campaign never called Canada to say Obama not truthful re wanting leave NAFTA; smoking gun memo proves lied
# 21 Mrs Obama admits she's never been proud of America; Video disproves Sen. Obama's later claim she was misquoted
# 20 Claimed would not run for President, as he would not be qualified by 2008: confirmed 3 times to Tim Russert in one 2006 interview

# 19 Claims famous in Il. for not letting lobbyists even buy him lunch; took from teachers, trial lawyers, hospital admins
# 18 Claims his parents met at Selma civil rights march; Washington Post noted it occurred 4 yrs after Obama's birth
# 17 BO claims courageously opposed war in 2002 during US Senate campaign; He did not announce his senate bid until 2003
# 16 Claims he passes tough Nuclear Law; NYT uncovers he took Nuclear Industry pay-off and watered down the bill
# 15 Claimed he didn't know Rezko was corrupt when did a real estate deal with him; Chicago papers prove he lied
# 14 Claims does not accept money from Big Oil: Real Clear Politics proves he lied
# 13 Denies using his Hopefund PAC to influence endorsers; but the Washington Post reviewed the record and disagreed
# 12 Claims his State Chair is not a drug company lobbyist; Time magazine cries Bull****
# 11 Lies about how much he received in campaign funds from Rezko; forced to significantly increase the amount twice
# 10 Claims he did not fill out the 1996 candidate questionaire; Politico proves he lied
# 9 Took credit for achievement of others in Chicago; resume puffing exposed by LA Times
# 8 Claims he kept no State Senate records; now he changes his story
# 7 Denies doubling wife's salary was due to becoming US Senator; omits within months he earmarked $1 million for hospital
# 6 Denied meeting Saddam bagman Auchi; now admits he was at his dinner but does not remember talking to him
# 5 Denies using his church for politics: IRS disagree
# 4 Claims he was unaware of Pastor Wrights 911 comments: NYT proves he lied
# 3 Claims his father was a goat-herd; actually he was a man of privilige
# 2 Claims not an active muslim as child; Indonesian paper proves he lied
# 1 Claims father linked to Kennedys; Washington Post proves he lied

You must be hallucinating, just to mention "thought"

Mule, you have been busy. Didn't football season start tonite?

Great list Mule.

But the problem is, it's all based on documented FACTS. No true liberal would waste their time with such minutiae. It's more about "feeling good" damnit!!! :rolleyes:

Randy

No, FOOTBALL season begins tomorrow night (everything else is just "warmup");)

We were talking about the speech tonight, Mule.

Not that silly old list. Just browsing it, I saw a few that were wrong.

Which ones?

Good point! None of his lies before tonight really matter, do they? :rolleyes:

You really are a piece of work, aren't you?

Randy

How about these two.

# 106 Obama claims he's bi-partisan: voting records prove Obama is #11 most partisan
# 105 Claimed Hillary would be on anyone's short-list; Hillary wasn't on Obama's short-list
Does being #11" most partisan "mean you are non-partisan?

Does anyone mean everyone?

No wonder people like you don't understand the speeches.
It requires a basic understanding of the English language.

Well, for this lot it's just like Henry Ford said..."History is bunk". Ya see, we just need to keep looking forward. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
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How much rum HAVE you had tonight Dipso?

Re #106:

I agree the "fact" is vague, but Obama has more consistently voted along party lines than McCain.

Re McCain:

Both quotes from: http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/is_it_true_john_mccain_voted_with.html

I didn't realize #105 was arguable? Hillary was on Obama's short list? According to who? I don't even think she was vetted in any way, AFAIK.

I think I understood most of the speech and prefer not to engage in silliness with you. :D Let's stick to facts we can try to verify.

Best,

It takes my breath away (in a bad suffocating way) when I read that dipso says he looked at Mule's list and says "Not that silly old list". My God, this guy outright says that he's going to take another $6,770 out of my annual income to fund his social programs, plus even more out of social security which is currently giving me about -2% return on my money. Plus Cali wants to take another 1% sales tax out of me. I truly believe that this is the last generation and I'm 54 that will have an opportunity to put away some wealth (however small) for their retirement. Having a $10 Trillion national debt (btw, that's 10 thousand billion) dollar national debt is sort of like you making $100,000/year and thinking to your self that you can actually pay off a credit card debt of $10 million.

BTW, which other of the claimed facts do you think are not facts?

Edit: On second thought, I don't think there is anything constructive that can come from someone who enters what could have been a reasonable debate with statements like this, directed at me:

+1 or maybe 150 billion

Did you vote for Bush? Well I didn't and I wish that fool was never in office.

If you are the man of the house, and I know you are, you shouldn't spend all of your families savings and then borrow in your families name. Somebody is going to have to pay that back. Bush is leaving you with the bill.
Good job.

Unfortunately, this time around, It is us. Yeah, were screwed, but what are you going to do? Vote for the guy who is going to pass it off to the next generation. Jesus dude, suck it up and pay the piper.

Your guy screwed everybody. You think your pissed, how would you like to be me? I am running a business in this crappy Bush situation. I didn't even vote for the retard.
I knew he was an idiot the first time I saw him try to speak.

People are losing their homes, debt up to their ass. Gas, food, everything cutting in to my clients discretionary budget.

I deal with people who have money so it is not really a big deal, so far. But I do see the difference in job size.

What do you want from me? So you have to pay 500 dollars a month more in taxes, sorry.
I didn't cause this problem but I am willing to try and fix it.

Hugh, don't take that the wrong way. You are one of the few people here that I haven't argued with.:)

I just took the top two on the list.

Since when does #11 most partisan mean non-partisan?

Since when does anyone, mean everyone?


Can "anyone" answer? If i don't get a response from everyone I will assume I am right.

"Having a $10 Trillion national debt (btw, that's 10 thousand billion) dollar national debt is sort of like you making $100,000/year and thinking to your self that you can actually pay off a credit card debt of $10 million."

Not quite; it's more like having a debt of $146,000 associated with that $100,000/year income.

The national debt is now at ~9,600 billion dollars compared with a current annual GDP of ~14,000 billion dollars. For historical comparison, in 1947 the national debt was at 258 billion dollars and the 1947 GDP was 244 billion dollars. In 1947 the national debt per capita was about 150% of personal income, today it is roughly 80%.

don't tell me, LSU has their opener tomorrow

Mule, quit muddying up the water with facts, you bastard

If they argue like RLOT Republicans, it will be a lot of name calling and finger pointing. My guess is that they will also promise to do better than Bush, and offer to fix the problems their party created, while offering more of the same.

And you guys will buy it, hoping that you can put off paying the bill for your own party.

SmileWavy

AFAIK, he never lied about WMDs. AFAIK, he isn't pretending to be a moderate like McCain.

It seems to me that booga-booga and nit picking is all about small crap that many would like to escalate into big signifigance. The fact of the matter is that he is sayng the party will be over if he gets elected, and this scares the pants off of the far left and big business.

Screwing the middle class isn't the way to make an economy function. Going for maximum profits isn't always going to steer big business into responsible actions.

Going for first class education, paying off our foreign debt, and encouraging American businesses to create new jobs in this country while diversifying are all good things. Decreasing dependance on foreign oil is not a bad thing. Big business is not going to go broke, but the status quo is unsustainable. That should be obvious after the last eight years. We simply can't sustain a cold war approach against the whole world, and we are not going to be the only economic super power with India and China booming, and Russia having those vast reserves of oil.

We need to adjust for the thirty year sprint. It doesn't matter which party does it, but Obama is the only one saying it. McCain needs to address this, and show he understands it.

The WSJ today, on the Speech from Hype and Change, good reading, still Democrats probably don't read it and even if they do they won't believe it.
Facts don't seem to matter to the Obama cult.

11 out of how many? You are being evasive. Does he have to be #1 for you to feel he is non-partisan?

I suppose you are correct that if only one person somehow somewhere has her on their list......
But it does make for a very lame comment since even the guy making the statement does not believe it enough to put it into action.