The Speech from Hype and Change

[BeyGon]

When the McCain people get finished with Obamas speech he is going to feel like a young Muslim boy lost in an Iranian village. His but is going to be sooo big, he had sooo many false statements, it will be fun to watch
Hype and Change, Hype and Change, the sheep were orgasmic.

[dipso]

Originally Posted by BeyGon

, he had sooo many false statements,
.

Examples please.

[BeyGon]

No, you heard and and are one of the orgasmic sheep, just wait.

[dipso]

Originally Posted by BeyGon

No

That's what I thought.

[Mule]

Originally Posted by dipso

Examples please.

106 examples enough?

# 106 Obama claims he's bi-partisan: voting records prove Obama is #11 most partisan
# 105 Claimed Hillary would be on anyone's short-list; Hillary wasn't on Obama's short-list
# 104 Obama claims abortion rates have not gone down under the Bush Administration; stats show they have gone down
# 103 Obama dismissed Bomber Bill Ayers as "some guy who lives in the neighborhood";they had a close working relationship
# 102 Obama claims there's no charge to attend his acceptance speech: CBS 4 in Denver proves he's lying; some tickets cost $1000
# 101 Obama used being a first-time-buyer to justify consulting with Rezko before he bought his house; BHO had already purchased a residence
# 100 Obama lies about his support for infanticide; campaign concedes in 03 he opposed a bill stopping the killing of kids born alive after abortions
# 99 Obama overstates Oil Industry's contributions to McCain; ignores cash the Oil industry gave BHO; Newsweek debunks
# 98 To belittle America,Obama exaggerated the growth in Debt under the current Administration; debunked by WaPo
# 97 Obama claims President George W Bush had not left the country before he became President; WaPo confirms he's lying
# 96 To promote "green", Obama claimed he drove a vehicle that uses ethanol; GM confirmed the model was NOT ethanol-ready
# 95 Obama claims he's taking his family for a week's rest in Hawaii with no campaigning; schedules a rally for tomorrow
# 94: Obama claims "properly inflating tires" will save as much energy as we could drill offshore; analysis shows not even close
# 93 Obama denies accusing McCain of using race against him; ABC, NYT confirm Obama did accuse McCain of making racial attacks
# 92 Obama claims he's not being political when he's flip-flopping; timing & direction of major flip-flops show he's lying
# 91: Obama INVENTS a wall between Christians and Jews; deceptively omits the major religious wall is caused by a "fatwah" to kill American Christians and Jews
# 90 Obama claims he made a substantive call for Germany to help in Iraq; Berlin speech transcript proves he's lying
# 89: Obama admits he underestimated the decline in violence from the Surge; falsely claims McCain made same mistake
# 88 Obama turned a disappointing crowd of 20,000 into media reports of 200,000
# 87 Obama lied about his father's religious upbringing! half-brother confirms Obama's father was "RAISED Muslim"
# 86 Obama claimed we only made one fundraising trip to Florida during the Primary; Florida papers proved he lied
# 85 Claims reducing obesity to 80's levels would save Medicaid ONE TRILLION DOLLARS; not even close
# 84 To make Iraq/Afghan Wars look bad, Obama claimed demands on Nat Guard personnel hurt flood relief; Guards prove lying
# 83 Claimed due to overseas commitments, too few helecopters were available to help with Midwest flood relief; now concedes not true
# 82 Starting in Iowa, Obama claimed Clinton's healthcare plan would "punish families that couldn't afford healthcare"; NYT calls BS
# 81 Obama claims McCain's tax plan will do nothing to help the middle-class: The Tax Policy Center proves he's lying
# 80 claims the use of an Email with a big red DONATE button is NOT a fundraising solicitation
# 79 Obama claims his trip to Europe was non-political: uses video of Berlin speech to raise money within hours
# 78 Tells NBC that during the debate on the Surge he said the Surge would work in Baghdad; video proves during the debate he said the opposite
# 77 Obama's "Changing World" ad claims he'll fast-track alternatives to oil to stop us buying from hostile nations; "fast track" is totally misleading
# 76 Obama tells Israeli media that he's a member of the Senate Banking Committee; CNN confirms he's delusional
# 75 Obama claims Lou Dobbs caused hate crimes against Latinos to double; the FBI and CNN confirm Obama is lying
# 74 Obama claims the military brass think like he does; top US commanders say his plan for Iraq is unworkable
# 73: Obama promised to filibust FISA; later Obama voted for FISA and now denies changing his position
# 72 Obama belittles Americans claiming we can't speak European languages; he's talking merde; mierda; Scheiße
# 71 Obama denied he accused President Bush of starting the War for political reasons; Russert transcript proves Obama made that false claim
# 70 Obama claims there has been substantial job losses from NAFTA; Independent studies show its at least" job neutral"
# 69 Claimed in Feb 08 he got 90% of funds from donors giving $25, $50; fed filings show he got only about a third from donors below $200
# 68 Obama rewrites history about what specifically he had said during his October 2002 anti-war speech
# 67 Obama claimed in 04 that he had never supported bringing troops out of Iraq; rare video of 03 Teamsters rally shows he's lying
# 66 Obama lied about the softness of the Stock Market to support his false claim the War was being used to distract the public
# 65 To justify move to private funds, Obama claims McCain's campaign is" fuelled" by PACs and Lobbyists; its less than 2% of McCain's money
# 64 Obama's "Dignity" ad claims he "worked his way" thru college and law school; campaign admits only two summer jobs
# 63 Obama's "Dignity" ad gives him credit for reducing Welfare rolls by 80%: he's deceptive as he was opposed to Fed Welfare Reform in '96
# 62 In Obama's The Country I love ad, he takes credit for passing a healthcare bill he did NOT vote for
# 61 Claims he first ran in Chicago as an unendorsed candidate; his '96 election questionnaire proves he had several
# 60 Obama claims he wants a vigorous and open debate on the issues: then goes out of his way to avoid it
# 59 Obama omits key details about a false rumor re video of Michelle's "whitey" rant to justify breaking his public funding promise
# 58 Obama tries to deceive about why he voted "present" more than 100 times in the Illinois Senate; Chicago paper reveals the truth
# 57 Trying to claim patriotism Obama says his grandad signed up the day after Pearl Harbor; army records disagree
# 56 Claims race and party not important to how people vote as they put America first; 93% block vote disproves
# 55 On June 5, Obama stated that Israel must remain undivided; June 6 on CNN he reversed his position, but denied he had done so
# 54 To further his own agenda, Obama grossly overstates the number of potential African-American votes in MS, GA, SC
# 53 Promise of $2500 reduction in Healthcare premiums needs billions in Admin cost savings by 2012: not possible
# 52 Obama omits to mention his 3 week trip to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan until it slips out trying to out-do Clinton
# 51 Obama claims McCain wants to wage a lengthy war in Iraq: Video proves Obama's lying
# 50 Obama claimed he never prayed in a mosque; his campaign had to retract that statement
# 49 Obama dishonestly used endorsements in ads to pump up his healthcare plan
# 48 Claims he never discussed politics with Pastor; rebutted by photo of Obama with team of lobbyists led by Wright
# 47 Obama, an expert at parsing words, claimed he wasn't familiar with the word "Clintonian"; then changed his story
# 46 Despite reeking of cigarettes, Obama denied smoking to ABC; now admits smoking on MSNBC
# 45 Obama said he'd meet unconditionally with Leader of Iran: now claims he "didn't have Ahmadinejad in mind"
# 44 Obama claims he is using public financing to avoid special interests: WSJ nails his switcheroo
# 43 Obama's rhetoric claims more young black men in jail than college: BoJ Stats disprove
# 42 Claims he never said he was a proponent of single-payer universal healthcare; Video proves he did
# 41 Obama claims remarks to industrialists were greeted with silence, shows he can deliver tough message: video of ovation
# 40 Obamas claim you dont rip opponents & leave on roadside:he did to Alice Palmer
# 39 Obama denies saying Indiana could be tie-breaker: he did
# 38 Obama omits that Pastor Wright led divestiture campaign from Israel
# 37 Obama claims Church not controversial; he knew it was controversial since 86
# 36 Lied about intention of taking US out of NAFTA
# 35 Obamas claim poverty growing up: both distort reality
# 34 Obama denies meeting Saddam's Auchi; sworn Fed. witness places Obama at undisclosed party for Auchi at Rezkos
# 33 Obama lies about not attacking Clinton over her Bosnia lies
# 32 Obama claims he passed ethics reform; ABC News shows he lied
# 31 Obama says he's consistently opposed NAFTA; in October 2007 he supported expansion to Peru
# 30 Obama claims he's above dirty political tricks; Clinton proves he lies
# 29 Obama claims his "bitter" remarks were mangled; then repeats attacks on guns religion and angry people
# 28 Obama claims never said he wouldn't wear US flag-pin; video shows he did
# 27 Obama says he did no favors for Rezko;untrue; he lobbied for him
# 26 Changes story repeatedly re Rezko's help in buying mansion
# 25 Obama claims he never supported a ban on handguns; he has twice
# 24 Obama claims stays at UCC as Pastor acknowledged comments were inappropriate; Wright never made this statement
# 23 Campaign is beholden to "only the people" as unlike McCain/Clinton he does not take lobbyist /PAC money; LIES!
# 22 Claims campaign never called Canada to say Obama not truthful re wanting leave NAFTA; smoking gun memo proves lied
# 21 Mrs Obama admits she's never been proud of America; Video disproves Sen. Obama's later claim she was misquoted
# 20 Claimed would not run for President, as he would not be qualified by 2008: confirmed 3 times to Tim Russert in one 2006 interview

[Mule]

# 19 Claims famous in Il. for not letting lobbyists even buy him lunch; took from teachers, trial lawyers, hospital admins
# 18 Claims his parents met at Selma civil rights march; Washington Post noted it occurred 4 yrs after Obama's birth
# 17 BO claims courageously opposed war in 2002 during US Senate campaign; He did not announce his senate bid until 2003
# 16 Claims he passes tough Nuclear Law; NYT uncovers he took Nuclear Industry pay-off and watered down the bill
# 15 Claimed he didn't know Rezko was corrupt when did a real estate deal with him; Chicago papers prove he lied
# 14 Claims does not accept money from Big Oil: Real Clear Politics proves he lied
# 13 Denies using his Hopefund PAC to influence endorsers; but the Washington Post reviewed the record and disagreed
# 12 Claims his State Chair is not a drug company lobbyist; Time magazine cries Bull****
# 11 Lies about how much he received in campaign funds from Rezko; forced to significantly increase the amount twice
# 10 Claims he did not fill out the 1996 candidate questionaire; Politico proves he lied
# 9 Took credit for achievement of others in Chicago; resume puffing exposed by LA Times
# 8 Claims he kept no State Senate records; now he changes his story
# 7 Denies doubling wife's salary was due to becoming US Senator; omits within months he earmarked $1 million for hospital
# 6 Denied meeting Saddam bagman Auchi; now admits he was at his dinner but does not remember talking to him
# 5 Denies using his church for politics: IRS disagree
# 4 Claims he was unaware of Pastor Wrights 911 comments: NYT proves he lied
# 3 Claims his father was a goat-herd; actually he was a man of privilige
# 2 Claims not an active muslim as child; Indonesian paper proves he lied
# 1 Claims father linked to Kennedys; Washington Post proves he lied

[BeyGon]

Originally Posted by dipso

That's what I thought.

You must be hallucinating, just to mention "thought"

[bivenator]

Mule, you have been busy. Didn't football season start tonite?

[BeyGon]

Great list Mule.

[rcecale]

Originally Posted by BeyGon

Great list Mule.

But the problem is, it's all based on documented FACTS. No true liberal would waste their time with such minutiae. It's more about "feeling good" damnit!!!

Randy

[rouxroux]

Originally Posted by bivenator

Mule, you have been busy. Didn't football season start tonite?

No, FOOTBALL season begins tomorrow night (everything else is just "warmup")

[dipso]

We were talking about the speech tonight, Mule.

Not that silly old list. Just browsing it, I saw a few that were wrong.

[kstar]

Originally Posted by dipso

We were talking about the speech tonight, Mule.

Not that silly old list. Just browsing it, I saw a few that were wrong.

Which ones?

[rcecale]

Originally Posted by dipso

We were talking about the speech tonight, Mule.

Not that silly old list. Just browsing it, I saw a few that were wrong.

Good point! None of his lies before tonight really matter, do they?

You really are a piece of work, aren't you?

Randy

[dipso]

Originally Posted by kstarnes

Which ones?

How about these two.

# 106 Obama claims he's bi-partisan: voting records prove Obama is #11 most partisan
# 105 Claimed Hillary would be on anyone's short-list; Hillary wasn't on Obama's short-list
Does being #11" most partisan "mean you are non-partisan?

Does anyone mean everyone?

No wonder people like you don't understand the speeches.
It requires a basic understanding of the English language.

[dafischer]

Originally Posted by rcecale

Good point! None of his lies before tonight really matter, do they?

You really are a piece of work, aren't you?

Randy

Well, for this lot it's just like Henry Ford said..."History is bunk". Ya see, we just need to keep looking forward. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

[BeyGon]

How much rum HAVE you had tonight Dipso?

[kstar]

Re #106:

Also, Obama voted in line with fellow Senate Democrats 97 percent of the time in 2007 and 2005, and 96 percent of the time in 2006, according to CQ.

I agree the "fact" is vague, but Obama has more consistently voted along party lines than McCain.

Re McCain:

The claim is true. According to Congressional Quarterly's Voting Studies, in 2007 McCain voted in line with the president's position 95 percent of the time – the highest percentage rate for McCain since Bush took office – and voted in line with his party 90 percent of the time. However, McCain's support of President Bush's position has been as low as 77 percent (in 2005), and his support for his party's position has been as low as 67 percent (2001).

Both quotes from: http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/is_it_true_john_mccain_voted_with.html

I didn't realize #105 was arguable? Hillary was on Obama's short list? According to who? I don't even think she was vetted in any way, AFAIK.

I think I understood most of the speech and prefer not to engage in silliness with you. Let's stick to facts we can try to verify.

Best,

[Hugh R]

It takes my breath away (in a bad suffocating way) when I read that dipso says he looked at Mule's list and says "Not that silly old list". My God, this guy outright says that he's going to take another $6,770 out of my annual income to fund his social programs, plus even more out of social security which is currently giving me about -2% return on my money. Plus Cali wants to take another 1% sales tax out of me. I truly believe that this is the last generation and I'm 54 that will have an opportunity to put away some wealth (however small) for their retirement. Having a $10 Trillion national debt (btw, that's 10 thousand billion) dollar national debt is sort of like you making $100,000/year and thinking to your self that you can actually pay off a credit card debt of $10 million.

[kstar]

BTW, which other of the claimed facts do you think are not facts?

Edit: On second thought, I don't think there is anything constructive that can come from someone who enters what could have been a reasonable debate with statements like this, directed at me:

No wonder people like you don't understand the speeches.
It requires a basic understanding of the English language.