Remember, the President proposes, the Senate approves every budget, actually makes it law. There are, as I have said before, no virgins in politics. Both the dems and reps have their dirty little paws on the growth of the gov't and the deficit.

Edit: Bush never had a veto proof Senate or House. If the dems were so inclined, they could have stopped any Bush budget proposal at any time. Remember Pelosi promising she'd end the war? She has allowed every Bush budget to pass and become law during her tenure, there-by supporting the war.

Thanks for your replies.

Without sounding disrespectful, how does democracy, budget or the senate, etc make any differance for all of the people of this country ( or the rest of the world ) that are just looking for a meal?


When I hear a politician, I hear excitement and good intentions. I believe they mean well and really think they can make a difference.

The overwhelming lack of results throughout history tells the real story, however.

Then there is the 50% of the people that will be disappointed if 'their guy' doesn't get elected.


KT

Therefore earning her 14% approval rating.

That math is not what I get
in the House, 235 D, 199 R 2/3 would be 290
in the senate 49 D, 49 R

That's a little sad. I'm definitely looking forward to the next four years, and the four after that. I'm paying a little more for gas right now, and my equity has shrunk some, but I remained within my means, and I have no reason to despair. I think we have a skewed sense of comfort and suffering in this country.

It's a lot sad.
Yes.
You and I, and most on this board, live pretty comfortable and sheltered lives.


KT

If we take the view from our own personal space, maybe.

Looking at the welfare of all, I hope you have a little different perspective.

On the other hand, take the view of the single parent whose husband hasn't paid a dime of child support, that makes *just* enough money to miss out on any gov't aid.

Their outlook is quite different.


KT

As harsh as it seems, we each hold full responsibility for our lives, and the success or failure thereof. Life doesn't "happen" to us. We make specific choices. The example you quote is a tough one, but pales in comparison to other stories around the world. We really have lost our sense of perspective in this country. We really have no idea what poor or oppressed really are. Maybe that is easy to say from my position, but I am responsible for the position I'm in, and I won't apologize for it. I earned it.

Thanks for the reply, Rick. Not harsh at all.

I agree about making the best of what you have available.
Working hard and seeing good for it. Bravo!
I'm right there with you.

Like I said, we're sheltered and have it pretty good.

What we are seeing, in the recent campaigning, are these false promises of better times for all people by means of the gov't.
It's lies. Plain and simple.


They can't even keep the thugs from robbing local restaurants and their diners.
That's minor.


KT

I couldn't agree more. What worries me, is at what point will those paying the bills be outnumbered by those receiving the support? What will happen when the source of the support dries up?

.+1000 We are getting closer to this point every day. In this county, for example, over 60% of the people are employed by the gov't. that doesn't include those getting some form of welfare such as disability, wic, ssi,food stamps, section 8 housing,etc.:(

Huh, veto proof would be 290 +/- in the House, 66 +/- in the Senate. Which mans Bush could not propose a budget that would survive intact, or veto the final Senate budget.

How does this help me? :D


KT

I see the regulars are ranting about 'their guys'.

Not addressing issues, just looking for sound bytes, gaffes or mis-steps to discredit the other.

It's mildly entertaining, but mostly sad, because people are looking for the least obvious fool.
( Too much? )

You'd think people would get it by now.


KT

They always address the real issues and promise the solutions. No one yet has delivered any where near what they promised. Look at the governator for a perfect example. I don't know what to say about Bush. But that's how it will be addressed, hollow.

Oooops, it should have read:
When do YOU think the real issues will be addressed?

I don't see that actually taking place. Never have.
You know, "Here's the problem. Here's how we are going to fix it. Here's how we are going to fund it"... And then see it completed as promised with lasting results.

It just doesn't happen. EVER.


KT

Most people cannot admit this openly.

I wonder why?


KT

nor could Pelosi garner the votes to override a veto of a bill that would have pulled back all the troops.

can't deliver on campaign promises because not enough democrats elected but it was just in preparation for what they hope will be a win this year for POTUS.

She didn't even try, Steve...two years and counting. So your explanation is she was waiting for a new dem POTUS, who may not have garnered a veto proof H or S to finally act on her promises?

Ponderous.

Dance back and forth all you like, fellas.

What do you really think is going to be accomplished?


KT