It wasn’t the surge that was successful, it was a secret program.

kang · 09-09-2008, 08:28 AM

According to this book…

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/09/09/iraq.secret/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

Ignore my attention grabbing thread title, because as they state in the story, both the surge and this program were part of the picture. We may never know how much of a roll the secret program may have had. In fact, maybe it doesn’t even exist! I might just be a scare tactic! Not that that is a bad thing. Nor would a secret program to kill terrorists be a bad thing....

Discuss…

Mule · 09-09-2008, 08:38 AM

Obvious lie! Every leftie has stated repeatedly there are no al queda in Iraq.

kang · 09-09-2008, 08:40 AM

What are you talking about? I have not heard a single leftie say there are no Al Queda in Iraq. They are there now, absolutely, but they were not there before the war. Is that confusing for you?

widgeon13 · 09-09-2008, 08:41 AM

Not much meat to that article other than Woodward's word and his need to sell books. If it's true, Great!

I have no use for him.

kang · 09-09-2008, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by widgeon13

Not much meat to that article other than Woodward's word and his need to sell books. If it's true, Great!

I have no use for him.

Exactly. The secret program must remain secret...

widgeon13 · 09-09-2008, 08:50 AM

It's only secret because Woodward calls it secret! What's the big f------ deal?

Seahawk · 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by kang

Exactly. The secret program must remain secret...

Woodward is trying to sell a book so he has to be breathless.

Yes, bad guys were/are targeted and how they were rolled up has been in large measure because of long endurance Unmanned Systems, small to medium large, that never blink and can't be heard. This is not a secret. UASs fly more hours than manned aircraft in Iraq and provide full motion video to those who need it.

A day in the life...Woodward knows that but has to call it, "secret" even though he knows the bad guys know all about the UAVs but can't do a thing about it.

The small to medium large UAVs in Iraq are like movable red light cameras.

Putz.

Jim Richards · 09-09-2008, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by seahawk

putz.

+1

Superman · 09-09-2008, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mule

Obvious lie! Every leftie has stated repeatedly there are no al queda in Iraq.

There are MANY MANY Al Queda in Iraq. The came for the Party Dubya threw. Previous to that, we could rely on Saddam to squash any and all threats to his ultimate power. Iraq was immunized against Al Queda......until Dubya "fixed" that.

kach22i · kach22i's Garage

It was not a secret on Pelican because of Seahawk.

To the rest of the world it's news.

RWebb · RWebb's Garage

no, there is more to it than what Seahawk posted.

that is just a part of the overall system

Seahawk · 09-09-2008, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kach22i

It was not a secret on Pelican because of Seahawk.

To the rest of the world it's news.

Come on Kach. What else could it be, what secret weapon is out there....the Army now breaking down doors with bad breath?

Do a search on 'ISR Surge'. Tactics changed, the bad guys had no counter, for now.

And I do know more than the Putz. Shouldn't it be that way? After all I have the right clearances and he does not. He would be in violation of the law, right?

kach22i · kach22i's Garage

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Originally Posted by Seahawk

Come on Kach. What else could it be, what secret weapon is out there....the Army now breaking down doors with bad breath?

Do a search on 'ISR Surge'. Tactics changed, the bad guys had no counter, for now.

And I do know more than the Putz. Shouldn't it be that way? After all I have the right clearances and he does not. He would be in violation of the law, right?

I was agreeing with ya.

No scarcasim intended.

varmint · 09-09-2008, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kach22i

It was not a secret on Pelican because of Seahawk.

To the rest of the world it's news.

it was not a secret because of the documentaries on history channel, discovery channel, fox, and all the stuff on youtube.

look at jawa report. they routinely post kill videos from uavs.

kach22i · kach22i's Garage

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Originally Posted by varmint

it was not a secret because of the documentaries on history channel, discovery channel, fox, and all the stuff on youtube.

look at jawa report. they routinely post kill videos from uavs.

I'm telling you, I've told at least a dozen people about the UAV's Seahawk has talked about and the results of their use, and it was all news to them.

These facts simply are not mainstream yet.

The "surge" has too much political use to be unseated by little old UAV's.

Britwrench · 09-09-2008, 04:49 PM

I'm sure to the armed forces who really fight these wars (as opposed to journalists trying to make money and fame) that it is the obvious thing to do.
Find the trouble maker or leader and eliminate....move to the next one.

kang · 09-10-2008, 10:13 AM

U.S. shifts tactics in hunt for Osama bin Laden

Predator drones increasingly used after failure to develop informants

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26633748/from/RSS/

Pazuzu · 09-10-2008, 10:23 AM

Was it just the UAVs? Or was it the general use of ultra-high tech devices? I have to assume that there are some of the new microwave heat guns out there, even if they're not "official". What other fun things could we have mounted on vehicles while driving around the Wasteland, looking for people hiding in caves? Frequency weapons?

einreb · 09-10-2008, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by kach22i

The "surge" has too much political use to be unseated by little old UAV's.

Politics aside, the economics of UAV's are another reason to put on your tin-foil hat. They are a big bang for the buck vs. $175,000,000 per F-22.

Rick Lee · Rick Lee's Garage

UAV's have been common public knowledge for a long time. Yes, I've read all of Woodward's book in the last 15 yrs. But Tom Clancy and even Dan Brown have written plenty about wonder weapons before they became widely known.