Thanks Mods
 

Ok I know I am not a real popular guy here but the politics and religious stuff has caused alot of pressure here in OT. I for one would like to thank you for making a place for everybody to go and yell at each other and let OT get back to what it is supposed to be. Bewbs and jokes.
Thanks

You said the words politics and religion. Off with your head!

Bewbs are offensive to some.

You'll probably soon find more of them in the place where folks have thicker skins:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-politics-religion/

Bewbs will certainly fit within the PARF "charter". :D

I'll try to stay away from that accident site and avoid the inevitable rubbernecking. :)

Poor Choich by Wayne. He gave into criticisim, and on a OT He11 Board to boot. All one has to do is NOT open nor read the Politcal threads, if one is faint of heart and can not stand the heat.

This shows lack of a moral backbone that is so prevalent in this day and age. Lets just give into the PC wonkks as their sensibilities are so offended. Next they will be complaining that Free Speech is offensive and that should be moderated as well.

BTW: That is what an OT Board is for all the trash and junk that is not fit to print on other more civilized Boards. It is the garbage dump of the ID.
So what if people complain about the OT, all one had to do was post a statement of policy.

I'd just about written off PPOT (very regretfully) and now I've learned two things...a sub-forum has been created, and "thin-skinned" must be a synonym for "somewhat intelligent" :). Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!

If intelligent = unable to moderate yourself, yes.

Respectfully disagree Tabs...PPOT has/had lost it's appeal for many of us, and it was definitely "broken"...now go push someone down the stairs :)

My post count is going to go through the roof now. :D

Kurt, I may have occasionally thrown out a "Bush hates...whatever" (I'm a Republican) as a feeble attempt at humor, but I (like many) am really not all that political, and simply got tired/bored of it all...the "SOS" all the time. Time will tell...

Cool, if I am feeling fiesty, I will go there, otherwise I am looking forward to more random off topic threads.

Bill

Thank you, Thank you, THANK YOU!!

The sub-forum should allow some other worthy threads to stay on page 1 of OT.

I"m confused, I pretty much worship boobs,, so where should the ultimate Chest thread be??

I finally gave in and started using the ignore feature. Whew, did that make a positive difference. Maybe with all the hate and vitriol focused in the political forum this will be a friendlier place.

I don't get it. Are people, who were previously unable to refrain from joining the political threads, now to be deterred by the one more click required to get to the sub-forum for politics?

Keith:

I understand what you are saying, I do. :) I will admit the political thread count (not a new "sheet"!) was higher than normal, but was it too hard to even tolerate titles of threads; seriously?

That Wayne had to spend any time creating a new OT forum because folks couldn't even stand to look at the thread titles is beyond my ability to comprehend; honestly. If one chose to actually open threads that one thought might offend him/herself then there is no excuse for complaints in that regard, IMO. Perhaps complaints of folks who were violating the "rules" could have been made and that offender could have been canned?

Like cat juggling, I don't like the ugliness when some debates get personal and silly, but none of this should be taken seriously of personally anyways.

I think the best solution, that allows most people to be happy in forums like these, is for each member to apply their own individual filter. Each of us likes different stuff, but I would not try to impose my preferences on the community, except as it applies to PPOT being the single depository for everyone's . . . "deposits".

Anyhoo, it's Wayne's deal and we will all just have to deal with it. :)

Best,

Perhaps there should be a "fail safe" and at each click there would be a warning window: "Are you really really sure you want to go to the PARF?" . . . "By clicking the next button you will be taken to the PARF and you accept all of the responsibilities for any hurt feelings or personal mental pain you may feel and/or endure".

:D

I have never complained about them, nor get remotely offended by them, just sick of seeing them. I think its great. It gets extremely old, having to sort through all the threads to read something that isn't political crap related.

When a seemingly innocent, random, apolitical thread somehow morphs into a bloody holy war, things are out of control. The new sub-forum should help prevent that. Also, many here won't have to waste time clicking on a thread with an apparently innocuous title, only to discover it's complete, political warfare.

OT died a little inside.

A free exchange of ideas, regardless of topic--be it tame or controversial, was what made this BBS great. There are plenty of topics I chose not to discuss. I simply didn't post on the threads and over time I figured out which ones not to read.

Sorry, I left out "inconvenience".

I guess what has been seen cannot be unseen and more "inconvenience".

It did.

But, I will now step off my soapbox.

Sorry if I seem a little testy.

Best to all,

My issue is that OT was becoming a political forum.

I logged in the other day and the first 15 or so posts were all political rants and they were posted by 5 people.

It's simply evolutionary, the new thread was needed as a few regulars were taking over OT as their own little soapbox.

That would be me too... A little "Cliff Clavin" goes a long way, and I wouldn't go to Cheers either if there were 8 of him hanging at the bar all day. Frankly, the Cliff's had driven away many of the other interesting characters here and I had just about lost total interest in returning even though I wanted a beer REAL bad :). For many of us who've been here a while, it had lost it's appeal and had just become a juvenile soapbox for a handful. I do understand what some of you are saying (about simply ignoring threads), but many (myself included), were simply not hanging out here anymore, and that was a damn shame. I've learned a LOT from this place over the years, and have a lot of respect for the intelligence, compassion, and diversified perspectives and experiences of a WHOLE bunch of you guys/gals, and hopefully it will regain it's former appeal.

Thank you Wayne for getting this done!

I don't understand the new sub-forum, but then again, it's not my board. I liked the old way, but I'll live with the new way.

The only person here whose speech counts is the guy paying the bills. We are, as always, free to go if we want.

It's an election year. That's going to happen. It would have died down afterwards.

I have no issue with 15 threads by 10-12 diff people.

When you have the same handful of actors monopolizing the board it gets tiresome.

Election year or not.

Monopolizing? How so?

Go back up a couple of posts, thought I was pretty clear on my position.

So?

Were you unable to post? Was your scroll wheel broken on your mouse? Those little slidey things on the right side of the screen not work? Next page link broken?

My point is that I see lots of threads that I could care less about. I skip over them.

To the contrary, I think Wayne is doing what he can to keep the OT alive. We can still debate energetically in the new forum. If things continue to degrade further (name-calling and insults instead of intellectual debate) Wayne may yet pull the plug on the Rel/Pol board. Then there will be no place here for what is often provocative (mostly just provoking) points of view.

My feelings exactly. I like a good political discussion as much as the next guy. But sifting throught the same BS day after day got real tiring.:(

Thanks Wayne!

I also am glad this was done. I hpe it did not take too much time or trouble.

We did not have a free exchange of ideas. These guys were not writing for the Nat'l Review or Amer. Spectator; instead, the lowest forms of name calling were combined with a few elementary debater's tricks and a remarkably juvenile screed to create nothing worthy.

I hope those same people will enjoy their new play pen, and resist the urge to turn this area into that one, by interjecting political or religious comments.

Back on my soapbox. :)

What "we" have lost is genuine discussion and debate on political and religious topics, topics which touch on more issues than one may be able to initially imagine!

In my own final analysis, that is the true loss.

A handful of "surgical" bans or serious reprimands might have prevented this loss, IMHO.

I feel like the passenger in the backseat directing the driver; I don't mean to show a lack of appreciation for Wayne providing these forums in the first place! :)

Uh...after the election, it's just gettin' started.

Excellent idea PP! I hope other P forums will follow suit.

Psst, Kurt. It's already been done. So debating whether or not it was the correct decision is moot.

In my opinion, a separate political forum has been needed since the current president's 2nd term. And even as I participated in many of those subjects, I concur with others who were turned off by seeing a slew of politically-bent threads each time they opened PPOT. It was tiring.

I also find it hard to say PPOT continued as a place of "free thought." When, as one poster put it, 15 of the top OT threads were politically-themed and posted by 5 people, I can understand how one can come to a conclusion that "free thought" was seriously lacking in large part on PPOT.