The "Review" in Baseball is lame

126coupe · 126coupe's Garage

Watching the Angel game, Vlad hits a foul ball down the LF line, The Angels challenge, they think its a HR, the umps leave the field, call NY, WTF come back and call it a foul.
3 minutes?? I am a baseball fan, but baseball is already slow. Ur Thoughts?

KaptKaos · 09-24-2008, 08:31 PM

I don't like instant replay in any sport, period. There needs to be the human element, where refs and umps make mistakes. It's all part of the game.

BReif61 · 09-25-2008, 03:49 AM

I think it's kind of dumb how they have to call NYC everytime. You can't tell me there's not a way to give the ump the view, a la the NFL?

bivenator · 09-25-2008, 05:25 AM

Saw it in an astro's game the other night. Took too long, not good for the game as it presently works. The system needs some tweaking.

legion · 09-25-2008, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by KaptKaos

I don't like instant replay in any sport, period. There needs to be the human element, where refs and umps make mistakes. It's all part of the game.

Yep. A good decision now is better than a perfect decision later.

DavidB911 · 09-25-2008, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by legion

Yep. A good decision now is better than a perfect decision later.

Wow, I didn't think anyone else believed this way. Maybe someday they will take it out in all sports. MLB doesn't need replay at all. If the ump blows it, so be it. EVERY team looses a game or 10 a year due to umpire mistakes. Its part of the game, just like relievers blowing a game.

Dan in Pasadena · Dan in Pasadena's Garage

I stand opposed.

BReif61 · 08:09 AM

Another way of looking at things.

16 games in an NFL season.
162 (?) in the MLB season.

If 1 game lost to a blown call really that big of a deal?

Porsche-O-Phile · Porsche-O-Phile's Garage

Why don't they have technology to call the balls & strikes? It seems to me this could easily be done with lasers and computers to specifically define the strike zone and there'd be no issues with so-and-so getting a "wider" strike zone and someone else getting a "narrower" one.

But it would make the sport a lot less interesting I imagine...

Dan in Pasadena · Dan in Pasadena's Garage

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Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile

Why don't they have technology to call the balls & strikes? It seems to me this could easily be done with lasers and computers to specifically define the strike zone and there'd be no issues with so-and-so getting a "wider" strike zone and someone else getting a "narrower" one.

But it would make the sport a lot less interesting I imagine...

Jeff, I totally agree. and this is exactly my objection. Yes, it could be done now. No, it should NOT be done just because it can be. It takes the human element out of the game which is in large measure one of the things that makes the game great. If you're not a baseball fan (not you Jeff, the collective "you"), then you probably love seeing 12-10 contests. If you really are a baseball fan, you love the defensive game as it has traditionally been..the diving catches, the acrobatic double plays, the bang-bang plays at first and the collisions at home plate.... the umpire is central to all these plays and so is central to the game.

BReif61- Ask the Mew York Mets or the Milwaukee Brewers TODAY if one game is "that big a deal"? They have played over 155 games and they are in a dead tie for the Wildcard spot and a trip to the playoffs. The wildcard team HAS won the World Series already in the past; so is it a "big deal?" YES, it's a huge deal. You're probably a football fan. Is it a "big deal" if some guy (Brett Favre) wears one team's jersey or another? Its "just one season".

Porsche-O-Phile · Porsche-O-Phile's Garage

Yep. I like the imperfect element of sports. It keeps people passionate and engaged. It makes it more interesting. I totally agree with ya'.

Dan in Pasadena · Dan in Pasadena's Garage

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Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile

Yep. I like the imperfect element of sports. It keeps people passionate and engaged. It makes it more interesting. I totally agree with ya'.

Me too. Will you be trying to go to any of the Dodgers or Angels playoff games? I am a Dodgers fan and I may go. The prices will be high which is a drag in one sense but is awesome in another. Why? The low life, thug and idiot quotient is SO much lower as the prices go higher...even in the Pavillion or Top Deck areas.

nostatic · nostatic's Garage

Yeah, let's automate the umpiring...call balls and strikes and outs. The technology is there.

Then let's replace the players with robots. They will be able to do a more perfect job.

Then let's replace the fans with avatars and they can watch the robots playing from virtual worlds.

Bringing instant replay into sports was the beginning of the end. Let's just go straight to Rollerball and call it good...

BReif61 · 09-25-2008, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan in Pasadena

BReif61- Ask the Mew York Mets or the Milwaukee Brewers TODAY if one game is "that big a deal"? They have played over 155 games and they are in a dead tie for the Wildcard spot and a trip to the playoffs. The wildcard team HAS won the World Series already in the past; so is it a "big deal?" YES, it's a huge deal. You're probably a football fan. Is it a "big deal" if some guy (Brett Favre) wears one team's jersey or another? Its "just one season".

Admittedly, I am a bigger football fan than a baseball fan.

However, if you look back, there were so many games that the Mets blew, be it by blown saves, errors, poor starts, etc, that one game decided by an official really doesn't matter. I think the Mets have well over 20 blown saves this season; their playoff spot would be secured if they cut that number in half, but they didn't.

As for Favre, I couldn't care less which team he plays for. He's past his prime.

jim72911t · 09-25-2008, 07:26 PM

I am absolutely opposed to instant replay in baseball. The umps are a huge part of the game, and they players know that, so there is a certain amount of respect on the field. You'll often see the umps gather and discuss a call, and many times, will change it.

Plus, if umps didn't blow a call every once in a while, what would Lou Pinella do

? Sit on the bench and fill out the lineup card? There is something to be said for a manager who argues a call and gets thrown out of the game, and, as a result, fires up his team and fans.

As for automating balls and strikes, ridiculous. Every umpire has a slightly different strike zone, and it is up to the pitcher to figure it out and pitch accordingly. It is also true that a pitcher like Greg Maddox will have a different, wider strike zone than an up and comer. Why? Because he's earned it, and is known for throwing to the glove. It's also the reason you may see a pitcher throw what appears to be a strike, but doesn't come near the catcher's target, and thus gets called a ball.

Baseball has too many subtleties to be ruined by instant replay.

126coupe · 126coupe's Garage

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Originally Posted by jim72911t

I am absolutely opposed to instant replay in baseball. The umps are a huge part of the game, and they players know that, so there is a certain amount of respect on the field. You'll often see the umps gather and discuss a call, and many times, will change it.

Plus, if umps didn't blow a call every once in a while, what would Lou Pinella do

? Sit on the bench and fill out the lineup card? There is something to be said for a manager who argues a call and gets thrown out of the game, and, as a result, fires up his team and fans.

As for automating balls and strikes, ridiculous. Every umpire has a slightly different strike zone, and it is up to the pitcher to figure it out and pitch accordingly. It is also true that a pitcher like Greg Maddox will have a different, wider strike zone than an up and comer. Why? Because he's earned it, and is known for throwing to the glove. It's also the reason you may see a pitcher throw what appears to be a strike, but doesn't come near the catcher's target, and thus gets called a ball.

Baseball has too many subtleties to be ruined by instant replay.

+1 Gee you make way too much sense

VincentVega · 09-25-2008, 07:32 PM

I didnt realize so many people still watched baseball.

I like the automated idea. Maybe even better if we an join in with a Wii at home.

The tennis system seems to work really well, I bet they can adapt that to baseball.

kstar · 09-25-2008, 08:02 PM

Keep the humans playing the games, but use the machines to make the calls. It does work well in tennis. The calls should be as quick and accurate as possible and not interfere with the game.

Such a system would bring unemotional fairness to important judgments and require the humans to win or lose on their own merits.

I'm just not so nostalgic about the referee/umpire concept, but I do understand that many folks view these officials as part of the game. I don't.

Porsche_monkey · 09-26-2008, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Minkoff

the umps leave the field, call NY, WTF come back and call it a foul.
3 minutes?? I am a baseball fan, but baseball is already slow. Ur Thoughts?

Three minutes in a baseball game is nothing. There are pitchers that take almost that long to adjust their cup.

I can't believe people complain about the 'time lost' to a a couple of reviews when we get ten commercials every half inning, or every possession change in football. Football is so slow now that I can not watch a game without the remote.

Commercial delays are for worse than replay reviews in my mind.