What to do with this employee? - Page 2

mossguy · 10-17-2008, 06:39 AM

Charles - I enjoy your posts!! Your subtlety is amazing!

Tom

charleskieffner · 10-17-2008, 06:47 AM

my roomate is shipping out to iraq thursday. his unit is in a frenzy to get cone-x's filled w/their gear.

with any organization of people their is always one boss. do you think the military puts up with crap. your first orders are nice and pleasant. if you fail to do orders or complete them in a quality manner..............you then get a superior DOWN YER THROAT!

after anymore failures to complete the job or mission.......................MY ROOMATE IS BEATING THE TAR SNOT OUT OF NEWBEES! he is a NCO and takes no crap.

grew up in military household. werked at garrett aviation, been in coast guardaux, btwn the 2 the only way is the military way and thats a fact jack

this is very simple..................werk or split. kinder gentler my ass!

scottmandue · 10-17-2008, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by billybek

Throw him to the wolves...
Give him difficult, crappy jobs and no support. Nothing humbles an apprentice like not having the knowledge and experience to finish a task.

That is what I would do...

If he thinks he is all that and a bag of chips give him some tough jobs to do with a definite time line and don't help him out.

Let him sink or swim.

Rikao4 · 10-17-2008, 06:50 AM

I'm sure his fellow co-workers appreciate his efforts..
they work & he think's he's you... or should be anyway.
besides you owe him a job...
You need to stay at home...
NOBODY is irreplaceable..even YOUR biz.

Rika

vash · vash's Garage

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Originally Posted by MFAFF

Better yet.. offer to help him find a job that matches his expectations....

He may find that for what he offers there is nobody out there who will pay him.. at all and certainly not at the rate you do... the penny may then drop that he has a decent job and needs to 'man up' to do it...

That may him a better employee than before...and if he finds somebody hat will pay him more then good for him and you can concentrate on somebody who wants to work with you..

for some reason, i like this advice. he is looking around and seeing greener grass. you need to open his eyes.

that, or fire him. if anything it will rattle the cages for the other guys.

BGCarrera32 · 10-17-2008, 07:35 AM

Whoa...hold the phone here. Lots of bad advice...

$50k+ a year can be big money to someone who has a young child or just married. Case in point- I don't know if he's single or what the situation is, and I believe you he's probably a pain in the rear, but you better have a documented account of everything he's done/said/acted out and present a short term plan for him to straighten out or the hit the highway. Put him on notice for 30 or 90 days, make it very clear to him you are not pleased (and document why so he has a copy (make 2 or 3 key points backed up with instances as to what the issues are), this will put him in his place and give you a defense if it goes South. Not wise in this day and age to just air it out in the office and then can him...put him on a short term correction plan and take it from there. He'll either straighten out or leave on his own accord.

Rikao4 · 10-17-2008, 08:47 AM

sadly Carrera is right...
CYA....then punt

Rika

scottmandue · 10-17-2008, 08:55 AM

If I lived in OK. I would be knocking on your door trying to steal this guys job!

I don't know but I presume $25/hr goes pretty far in that part of the country.

I work in the tech field I don't know anyone who gets to be "in training" for two years... six months max and then you are on your own.

DasBoot · 10-17-2008, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Wayne at Pelican Parts

Motivate him financially to do so. Give him a set of quantifiable goals and targets that he can reach and achieve success with. Right now, it sounds like he's floating because he doesn't know where he stands. His ego aside, if he's making money for you at this rate, then just keep him there - jobs are difficult to find these days...

-Wayne

Wow!

Just checked in this morning and found tons of good advice. I'll try to respond to most.

Wayne, I have given him a carrot-on-a-stick. If he brings in a new client, we split the proceeds 50/50. He hasn't brought in new clients in two years. As further motivation, I have even given him (small) clients/jobs to keep for himself.

DasBoot · 10-17-2008, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by RRico

what type of business is it and is he the lead tech?

Yes, he is the lead guy. Business is of a specialized technical nature. That's all I can say on the Internet.

DasBoot · 10-17-2008, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by masraum

Talk to him. Tell him basically what you've told us. 2 years no progress, he's already well paid, etc.... Tell him he needs to grow into his current $$.

He'll argue until he's blue...

DasBoot · 10-17-2008, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

2 years and hasn't quite caught on?

Fire him today.

or I guess you could coddle him for another 2 years.

Nothing would give me more joy than to can his ass at the end of the day today, but...that means another 6 mo. ~ 1 yr. "training" session with the next one (assuming I find someone right away). I think it would be easier (financially/stressfully (is that a word?)) to re-program who I have.

DasBoot · 10-17-2008, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by prials

He will always perform below the mean.

He was canned from his last job for poor peformance, but I saw some hope in that he was loyal/responsible, etc. I figured if I can fix-up a rusty old Porsche, I could fix this guy. (I'm having better luck with the Porsche).

DasBoot · 10-17-2008, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by MFAFF

Better yet.. offer to help him find a job that matches his expectations....

Hmm...not sure where you can get a job that pays $25/hr., allows you to sleep-in until 9, come/go as you please, take time off when needed, boss regularly buys you lunch, tools, bonuses, etc.

There ain't no-one out there who's going to pay him $25/hr. for what he does. Going rate is about $18/hr.

DasBoot · 10-17-2008, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by charleskieffner

shoot him in the head in front of all the other employees.............ARBEIT MACHT FREI!

Out of all the good advice in this thread, I like this one the best. Unfortunately, I probably couldn't pull the trigger.

DasBoot · 10-17-2008, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by charleskieffner

my roomate is shipping out to iraq thursday. his unit is in a frenzy to get cone-x's filled w/their gear.

with any organization of people their is always one boss. do you think the military puts up with crap. your first orders are nice and pleasant. if you fail to do orders or complete them in a quality manner..............you then get a superior DOWN YER THROAT!

after anymore failures to complete the job or mission.......................MY ROOMATE IS BEATING THE TAR SNOT OUT OF NEWBEES! he is a NCO and takes no crap.

grew up in military household. werked at garrett aviation, been in coast guardaux, btwn the 2 the only way is the military way and thats a fact jack

this is very simple..................werk or split. kinder gentler my ass!

It's funny that you mention this, as he and I are both former military and I (sorta) run things like a military unit (uniforms, haircuts, yes/no sir to the clients, etc.).

DasBoot · 10-17-2008, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by scottmandue

That is what I would do...

If he thinks he is all that and a bag of chips give him some tough jobs to do with a definite time line and don't help him out.

Let him sink or swim.

Tried it. Client ends up calling and yelling at me for sending out a nimrod to do the job.

DasBoot · 10-17-2008, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jhynesrockmtn

Should have listened to the gut!!!!!!!!

Yep. Agree. Shoulda listened to my gut two years ago, but here we are.

DasBoot · 10-17-2008, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by BGCarrera32

Whoa...hold the phone here. Lots of bad advice...

$50k+ a year can be big money to someone who has a young child or just married. Case in point- I don't know if he's single or what the situation is, and I believe you he's probably a pain in the rear, but you better have a documented account of everything he's done/said/acted out and present a short term plan for him to straighten out or the hit the highway. Put him on notice for 30 or 90 days, make it very clear to him you are not pleased (and document why so he has a copy (make 2 or 3 key points backed up with instances as to what the issues are), this will put him in his place and give you a defense if it goes South. Not wise in this day and age to just air it out in the office and then can him...put him on a short term correction plan and take it from there. He'll either straighten out or leave on his own accord.

He just was married and had a child. I was kinda hoping this new responsibility in his life would turn on a lightbulb in his head and make him realize how good he has it at work, needs the job, etc.

But...different day, same BS.

DasBoot · 10-17-2008, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by scottmandue

I don't know but I presume $25/hr goes pretty far in that part of the country.

I work in the tech field I don't know anyone who gets to be "in training" for two years... six months max and then you are on your own.

Yes, $25/hr. is far/above what others in this field are paid.

To be fair, we do a lot of different "stuff". So, as we get in new & out-of-the-ordinary projects, the training curve can start over again. But, after two years, you should just be able to look at something/RTFM and just do it without supervision.