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Dottore 11-24-2008 03:15 PM

Secret societies...what do you know about them???
 
I have for some years been vaguely interested in secret societies solely from the standpoint of the amazing networks they seem to represent.

I'm thinking of the Knights Templar, Freemasons, Rosicrucians etc—but also even more esoteric sects. I stress that I'm not interested in the funny hats and secret handshakes—just the networks.

I recently had some dealings with a gentleman whose business card contained the legend "Member of the Knights of Malta" together with a Maltese cross. During the course of these dealings, which lasted a couple of weeks, this guy picked up the telephone a half dozen times and absolutely blew me away with the people he had access to in the very highest levels of government in three different Asian countries.

I lived and worked in Asia for many years and know how valuable and precious such "know-who" is, so was doubly impressed that this guy had this kind of access—apparently through his Knights of Malta network.

Anyone have similar experiences? I would love to hear from you. How the feck does one become a Knight of Malta for example? (I didn't have the presence of mind to ask this gentleman about this, and he's now far gone.)

Embraer 11-24-2008 03:18 PM

http://www.knightsofmalta.com/history/history.html

the most recent history is pretty interesting

Jeff Higgins 11-24-2008 03:19 PM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1227572381.jpg

coolngroovy 11-24-2008 03:25 PM

If i told you, it wouldn't be a secret!

the 11-24-2008 03:27 PM

I know some of them have some very catchy tunes.

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widgeon13 11-24-2008 03:37 PM

They remain secret because the membership wants it that way and have agreed to not discuss anything about the organization.

Those that have websites are not necessarily secret but perhaps "exclusive" or "selective" in who they allow in as members. If they are secret then you are either asking for outside information which may or may not be accurate or asking a member to break an oath of secrecy.

I'd guess most are just exclusive and are fraternal in nature.

Dottore 11-24-2008 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by widgeon13 (Post 4322984)
They remain secret because the membership wants it that way and have agreed to not discuss anything about the organization.

Those that have websites are not necessarily secret but perhaps "exclusive" or "selective" in who they allow in as members. If they are secret then you are either asking for outside information which may or may not be accurate or asking a member to break an oath of secrecy.


Well I'm thinking they've been around for so long that there must be a body of information accumulated through former members etc etc.

futuresoptions 11-24-2008 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dottore (Post 4322922)
How the feck does one become a Knight of Malta for example? (I didn't have the presence of mind to ask this gentleman about this, and he's now far gone.)

With the Masons it is "If you want to be one ask one..." I don't think most of these orgs usually recruit.. I think you apply and are either accepted or rejected.

FWIW, I think we probably have a better networking opportunity on this board than anything that these orgs could produce... Although the calibre of persons may differ, that is what I think, and here we don't have to wear anything but foil hats...:D

Tishabet 11-24-2008 04:08 PM

Interesting topic... I've always wondered the same.

Porsche-O-Phile 11-24-2008 04:10 PM

I could tell you but then I'd have to kill you.

widgeon13 11-24-2008 04:13 PM

I knew that was going to come out eventually!

speedracing944 11-24-2008 04:32 PM

usually there isn't much secret about the organization and much can be told. All you need to do is ask. Usually to get into an organization it is good to know somebody or get to know somebody who is in it. Usually you need a couple people who know you to vouch for you and your character.

Speedy:)

sammyg2 11-24-2008 04:48 PM

I have a friend who is a freemason and we talk about it occasionally.
They do charity work and strive to be good human beings.
Nothing mysterious about it.

porsche4life 11-24-2008 06:56 PM

The Masons arent so mysterious. My father and grandfather are both master masons. Like someone said they mostly do charity work and stuff. However masons with give "brothers" as they refer to each other business breaks and do things for them that they wouldnt for regular joes. You do have to ask to join and be approved. Cant tell you much else as some things they do are still secret

legion 11-24-2008 06:59 PM

We have a curious cat in the barn.

Repeat, we have a curious cat in the barn...

rouxroux 11-24-2008 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by legion (Post 4323393)
We have a curious cat in the barn.

Repeat, we have a curious cat in the barn...

and some cowans and eavesdroppers as well it appears!;)

Pazuzu 11-24-2008 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 4323156)
I have a friend who is a freemason and we talk about it occasionally.
They do charity work and strive to be good human beings.
Nothing mysterious about it.

These days, but they have a long and sordid history.


Some more obscure, and quite secret old societies that still exist in some form are the Golden Dawn, the Ordo Templi Orientis, and the Argenteum Astrum (Silver Star)

Aurel 11-24-2008 08:15 PM

Funny nobody has mentioned the Skulls and Bones yet. Now, here is a secret society which had a member in office, hence must have had an influence on the policies of the past eight years...

Aurel

pwd72s 11-24-2008 08:53 PM

I was once asked to join a militia. I responded that I didn't want to get that close to DEA agents...:rolleyes:

onlycafe 11-24-2008 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aurel (Post 4323487)
Funny nobody has mentioned the Skulls and Bones yet. Now, here is a secret society which had a member in office, hence must have had an influence on the policies of the past eight years...

Aurel

i was going to, but just typing their name on the computer automatically gets you on their list.

svandamme 11-24-2008 09:02 PM

can't we start our own?

DARISC 11-24-2008 09:04 PM

I am a member of a secret society.
I participate only in total sobriety.
I don't think that mine requires any piety.
You can't join.
Fk off.

Tobra 11-24-2008 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile (Post 4323060)
I could tell you but then I'd have to kill you.

I think you better tell him

KaptKaos 11-24-2008 10:50 PM

Do not talk about fight club!

911pcars 11-24-2008 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aurel (Post 4323487)
Funny nobody has mentioned the Skulls and Bones yet. Now, here is a secret society which had a member in office, hence must have had an influence on the policies of the past eight years...

Aurel

Here's some info on Skull and Bones. Forgive the Bush politics. It's part of the landscape of this group's history.

http://www.skullandcrossbones.org/articles/skullandbones.htm

Sherwood

tabs 11-24-2008 11:26 PM

I belong to a super secret society whose name I don't even know.

livi 11-25-2008 12:45 AM

I am a member of Priory of Sion. We believe Jesus married Mary Magdalene and fathered a child, whose blood line we keep secrete and defend.

svandamme 11-25-2008 12:57 AM

Thx for guarding my bloodline Livi

svandamme 11-25-2008 12:58 AM

dang, now the secret is out ?! stupid me.

livi 11-25-2008 01:13 AM

Stijn, from now on you shall go by the name Jesus XII.

87coupe 11-25-2008 01:14 AM

So dark the con of svandamme :)

svandamme 11-25-2008 01:15 AM

bow to me, b1tches

red-beard 11-25-2008 03:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aurel (Post 4323487)
Funny nobody has mentioned the Skulls and Bones yet. Now, here is a secret society which had a member in office, hence must have had an influence on the policies of the past eight years...

Aurel

2 Members. His father was Skull and Bones as well.

red-beard 11-25-2008 03:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pwd72s (Post 4323531)
I was once asked to join a militia. I responded that I didn't want to get that close to DEA agents...:rolleyes:

Nah, the DEA doesn't care about militia. BATF, yes.

on2wheels52 11-25-2008 03:50 AM

"The Masons arent so mysterious. My father and grandfather are both master masons. Like someone said they mostly do charity work and stuff. However masons with give "brothers" as they refer to each other business breaks and do things for them that they wouldnt for regular joes. You do have to ask to join and be approved. Cant tell you much else as some things they do are still secret."

I've been a Mason for twenty years. The Shriners (you have to be a Mason to join that group but they aren't really connected) do most of the charity work. Our local lodge has about all it can do to keep its building repaired and the utilities on (I'm the treasurer).
A Mason owned business in town did some work for us, I didn't feel we received any break.
I think if I had joined in my 20's I would have been in a position to take advantage of having lodge brothers. By the time I joined I had things pretty well under control.
At present it's mostly a bunch of old guys meeting twice/month, I rarely attend. I'm sure the membership has been declining lately, supposedly when times are tough the membership increases. We shall see.
Jim

cmccuist 11-25-2008 04:03 AM

"I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members. "

Groucho Marx

svandamme 11-25-2008 08:51 AM

oi, not enough bowing to me.
And while at it... send cash too, i don't need it being who i am, but it shows your loyalty, and that's what it's all about .

pwd72s 11-25-2008 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by red-beard (Post 4323715)
Nah, the DEA doesn't care about militia. BATF, yes.

My bad...

Dottore 11-25-2008 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Embraer (Post 4322935)
http://www.knightsofmalta.com/history/history.html

the most recent history is pretty interesting

Thanks. Interesting piece on the Knights of Malta.

Dottore 11-25-2008 09:00 AM

....and then there is the Bilderberg Club....


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