American Standard Champion toilet is a piece of ****!

[cantdrv55]

I started a thread about a year-and-a-half ago about toilet bowls because the Kohler I had was crap. Most everyone suggested Toto but those things are big bucks so I went cheap and bought the AS Champion model. The Home Depot guy says if the Champion can't handle the load, nothing can.

Fast forward to today and I'm regretting buying that throne. The flush valve seal has given up four times. Luckily, the seal is available at HD. Last night though, the flush valve completely fell apart. I mean parts of it is on its way to the waste treatment plant. HD doesn't have the part so I went shopping for it on the interweb.

Lo and behold, there are lots of people unhappy with the AS toilet. I wish I had done the research on this thing before I spent the $350. They've all had the same problems with thing as I have. Anyway, at least I was able to find the flush valve but to the tune of $45 incl shipping. All I can say is, this new part better last at least a year or I'm biting the bullet and buy a Toto.

I am starting this thread as a public service. If you are in the market for a potty, skip American Standard. You'll just be flushing your money down the toilet.

Here's the website blasting the AS piece of ****.

http://www.terrylove.com/wwwboard/messages2/42893.html

[HardDrive]

I have yet to displeased with a Kohler product.

[porsche4life]

Wasnt there some toilet posted awhile back that would flush an ungodly amount of golf balls and the like? You should buy one of those.

[trekkor]

If you are passing golf balls, any amount, you have bigger problems...


KT

[SteveinTO]

fore!

[Heel n Toe]

If I wanted to give a toilet the ultimate test, I would buy about 5-7 of packages of frozen cookie dough... the ones that you peel off the plastic and slice up. Open them, let them thaw, then drop them into the bowl when they're nice and gooey. Throw in a few handfuls of toilet paper.

Flush THAT, muthaflusher.

A couple dozen golf balls? That's nuthin'... that's probably one of the easiest tasks you could give a toilet.

cantdrv55, sorry to hear about your craptastic disaster of a toilet. If you decide to replace it, break into an older home and steal a real toilet... one that can throw a huge tank of water at every flush.

Or call a plumber and tell him you want an older toilet... there's probably a greenie somewhere replacing one with a enviro-friendly twinkietoilet every other day in your locale.

[look 171]

Can't drive,

A toto G Max is the one you want. don't get suck into the duel flush "green thing". That's about 300 bucks. Then there's the try and true Ultramax or was it Ultimate. I forget what the exact name is now. I put one in my sister's house and haven't heard any complain from any clients that have them as well. The g max do a little better job. I have never had anyproblems with the totos at my house. sorry to hear about your problem. good luck, a crapper is not something you want to mess with.

[Danimal16]

There used to be low flush toilet ratings at a number of websites in California. Could have been MWD or Water Resources. Yes there are actual ratings on those crappers.

[Zef]

This bowl seem more reliable than a 924.....!

[Rick V]

My old house had a toilet in it that was made by Borg Warner, in the 10 years I lived there I never had to plunge it. I almost took it when I sold the house. That thing could take some crap.

[masraum]

Something that I've learned is that when buying toilets the old saying "you get what you pay for" is true. Cheap toilets are (excuse the pun) crap.

[Dottore]

Originally Posted by masraum

Something that I've learned is that when buying toilets the old saying "you get what you pay for" is true. Cheap toilets are (excuse the pun) crap.

Yes.

Toto is the way to go.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

I've heard good things about toto also although to be fair, I'm not as up on my plumbing fixtures as some of the others here... Just going by word-of-mouth in my day to day work. YMMV.

[look 171]

Not all totos are created the same. some of the really cool designer ones are not as good as the ones mentioned above. The low boy or lower tank do not flush as well. For the most part, I have never had any complain.

Jeff

[sammyg2]

I have an American standard champion 4 and it's been totally trouble-free since I bought it. No problems, no clogs.
Put me down as a satisfied customer. BTW I paid around $230 for it.

[911Rob]

Yup, you get what you pay for.... the thing to look at is the 'throat' size of the toilet. Some come with something just over 2" and others with 3 to 3.5". You want the larger throat; period.

I buy several toilets per month, install them and then have to guarantee them for 2 years. I use only Kholer about $350/each wholesale. We also offer a $100 upgrade for raised, elongated style (big boy)

Cheers

[Aurel]

Get one of those; You`ll impress your friends, and it`ll always work .



Aurel

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by Aurel

Get one of those; You`ll impress your friends, and it`ll always work .



Aurel

you may not know it's Chinese made

[porsche4life]

How does one use one of those?

[cantdrv55]

Originally Posted by porsche4life

How does one use one of those?

Dude, it's a hole in the ground. Think indoor porta-potty.