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Porsche-O-Phile 01-18-2009 05:09 PM

Anyone actually been HIRED in the last 3-6 months?
 
Just curious.

Seems to me there are still a lot of "help wanted" ads out there and I know of several folks who have gotten called for interviews, but nobody that's actually been hired anywhere. I wonder if HR departments are just trying to build a pool of prospects "just in case", or possibly to make themselves seem relevant to beancounters in this era of "downsizing".

Anyone? Did you get the same pay & benefits or did you have to take a cut? How long did it take you? Just curious.

TimT 01-18-2009 05:19 PM

I was called by my supervisor... and told there was a position available if I wanted it..

My commute would increase from 30 miles one way to 38 miles one way..

same pay.. but in that 16 mile commute increase.. the is a toll... $14

varmint 01-18-2009 05:24 PM

HR is trying to look busy so management won't notice what a bunch of loads they are.


i'm getting a lot of freelance stuff. apples to oranges compared to a real job.

BLEW911 01-18-2009 05:30 PM

I found another job the same day I was laid off. $3 less/hour and NO benefits. I took it and I look every day for a better one. A paycheck is still better than an unemployment check. That was in September and I'm still looking.

Don

lyon 01-18-2009 05:38 PM

http://archinect.com/features/article.php?id=84596_0_23_0_C

An interesting article regarding the current woes of the architectural profession.

GDSOB 01-18-2009 05:48 PM

We have a new sales/estimator starting tomorrow. I've got a pile of work for him to quote as some of our competition is not getting it done.

Laneco 01-18-2009 05:51 PM

I left my previous employer at the very end of July. I had been offered a couple of positions that suited my odd little skill set in the last month with the old employer and the first month with the new one.

I knew that I absolutely HAD to leave the old employer... But the new one feels like walking on egg shells every day. Between being the "new employee" and the current state of the economy it is very easy to picture getting the axe at any moment.

Most hiring positions have been frozen. It is as if everyone is holding their breathe and waiting for whatever may come next...

angela

austin552 01-18-2009 06:11 PM

Anyone actually been HIRED in the last 3-6 months?
 
No.
:(

Pazuzu 01-18-2009 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BLEW911 (Post 4426342)
I found another job the same day I was laid off. $3 less/hour and NO benefits. I took it and I look every day for a better one. A paycheck is still better than an unemployment check. That was in September and I'm still looking.

Don

That's not a very American thing to do

legion 01-18-2009 06:24 PM

We just let a contractor go on Friday due to their financial problems. (Rumor was they could not make their payroll and we needed to get them out of there before their disgruntled employees started looking for ways to make quick money.) One way or another (through contractors or direct hires), we're going to need 500 - 1000 people to take over their work ASAP.

dd74 01-18-2009 06:30 PM

Yes, but freelance. The pay in most cases is a joke. :rolleyes:

nostatic 01-18-2009 06:38 PM

We're waiting for final word on a contract and once that comes we'll be hiring a couple of artists and programmers. While there is an official hiring freeze funded projects are exempt.

jeffgrant 01-18-2009 06:39 PM

I've been effectively out of work for almost 6 months, but within the last 3 days have been given the green light on 2 rather large contracts for various Government agencies. In both cases it's because other companies have dropped the ball on the projects by using very substandard personnel and producing crap.

I'll be looking to hire a handful of developers for about 8-12 months of work, at excellent rates.

dd74 01-18-2009 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffgrant (Post 4426477)
I've been effectively out of work for almost 6 months, but within the last 3 days have been given the green light on 2 rather large contracts for various Government agencies. In both cases it's because other companies have dropped the ball on the projects by using very substandard personnel and producing crap.

I'll be looking to hire a handful of developers for about 8-12 months of work, at excellent rates.

Canadian government, correct? It's not surprising Canada is feeling the pinch just as we.

Porsche-O-Phile 01-18-2009 06:47 PM

The downside of the CA unemployment system is that it's completely antithetical to finding work. It basically works like this:

You take your previous year, and whichever quarter you earned the most becomes the basis of your state payout. In most cases this comes out to be about half of what you made on a month-by-month basis. So if you earned $9k one quarter last year, that comes out to $3k a month, your benefit will be somewhere around $1500 - give or take. There's a cap to this too - at most you'll stand to get $1800 monthly regardless of how well you did in excess of the cutoff.

So far so good, right? Well here's where it gets a bit screwy: If you then go out and get a part-time job or whatever, the amount you earn gets chopped right off what you get through state UI (except for a tiny "exempt" amount - $25 per week I think). So using the previous example of the guy who stands to collect $1500 monthly, if he goes out and tries to do the industrious thing and gets a P/T job (with no benefits, incidentally) for 20-30 hours a week at $10 an hour, he'll make roughly $250 a week (give or take) or $1,000 a month. The state will reward this industriousness by simply lopping $900 off his UI benefit ($25 per week is exempt) meaning he's now gotten a paycheck for $1000 from working and a UI check for $600. But he's also given up his time in order to go work and it's probably taken time away from his family or from looking for another, better job. Where's the incentive for people to work?

This is simply illogical. In order for it to be worth someone's time to go get a part time job and feel the sense of accomplishment that goes along with it rather than simply collecting an unemployment check, the amount they need to earn needs to be SIGNIFICANTLY more than they'd make off of state UI. Otherwise there's really no incentive, since the state just "takes" it anyway. It's a complete disincentive for people to go work part-time jobs.

The ONE potential upside to this is that it discourages highly-trained, highly-educated people from "settling" and taking crap jobs. It encourages them to stay home and (hopefully) to push for and/or look for jobs in their field which hopefully will put them in a position where they'll earn way more than they'd make either on state UI or working some McJob part-time someplace.

The system is whack, but that's how it works.

Sarc 01-18-2009 06:49 PM

Negative. Nothing but tumbleweeds over here in Detroit. Had an interview last month with a firm and was told that the job is mine *once* the work develops. The gig however is still in retail design so I'm not holding my breath.
This interview was unique in that they contacted me after they heard I was let go. I have yet to land an interview with a firm that I sent my CV to.

So for now my illustrating pays some bills. But the time is drawing near to consider a career change.

Joe Bob 01-18-2009 06:52 PM

The want ads in my home town have slimmed down to 2 pages. I wouldn't leave a job now unless it was a contract with a buy out clause placed in escrow.....

UconnTim97 01-18-2009 06:55 PM

I have been assured that our Bureau is hiring four new chemists this year.
We have the approval since we have been qualified as essential and those positions are actually replacing retirees and the like. In this political climate, I don't see that actually happening. The four new chemists are needed, but I don't see the salaries getting justified when the city is crying that they are broke.
Unfortunately, crime increases in poor economic times.....

Porsche-O-Phile 01-18-2009 06:56 PM

Yea, retail architecture is dead as a doornail. I'm kinda' miffed at my former boss for pooh-poohing my concerns about it a year or so ago. I brought up the fact that (I felt) we were overly dependent on retail clients that were sooner or later going to blow up. I suggested health care (specifically) as an area to hedge ourselves into and was told by him that he wasn't interested. Arrogant prick. Personally I think the guy got addicted to the "easy money" that retail design provided when times were good and refused to see the gravy train heading for the cliff. I did actually interview with a couple other firms in the last 12 months but it never was really worth jumping ship in the end... Their client bases weren't a helluva lot better and I'd have been the "new guy" at a different firm if/when things went south, as I suspected they eventually were going to.

The biggest kick in the nads about it is that HE'S not the one who gets screwed for his arrogance and intransigence - it's me and the other people who worked for him. He'll close down or become an "office of one" for a while or whatever and live off his banked money but the rest of us are S.O.L. Blows.

I'm considering a career change too - believe me. But it's also a bit tough when you're almost in your 40s...

UconnTim97 01-18-2009 07:02 PM

I have been considering a career change, as I imagine many are. It should be really interesting when the market corrects itself, and many people change paths.

Arizona_928 01-18-2009 07:03 PM

close to getting the axe. work is at a stand still.
i'm close to standing out by the home depot with all the mexicans...

red-beard 01-18-2009 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile (Post 4426300)
Anyone actually been HIRED in the last 3-6 months?

I'll let you know on Tuesday...

jeffgrant 01-18-2009 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dd74 (Post 4426486)
Canadian government, correct? It's not surprising Canada is feeling the pinch just as we.

BC Government, specifically. Lots of projects are on hold around here... it's tough being an IT contractor these days.

fintstone 01-18-2009 07:19 PM

Hired 2 engineers (NM) in the last six months and hiring 3 more in Jan (1 in CA and 2 in NM). Pay is about $85K.

Sarc 01-18-2009 07:23 PM

Jeff,
Your first paragraph could just as well describe my experience with my former firm. I've never met a such a pair of smug/arrogant pricks in my life. They literally pissed that company away. If anyone looks good over there, it's their founder; in his mid 70s and more of a figurehead nowadays but still a troublemaker to the two head douchbags. The brilliant thing is that said douchebags just completed a 10 year/multi-million dollar buyout of the firm from the old man last year. Now their doors are close to closing any day.

dd74 01-18-2009 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 4426565)
Hired 2 engineers (NM) in the last six months and hiring 3 more in Jan (1 in CA and 2 in NM). Pay is about $85K.

Civilian positions? I've looked at job postings on USA Jobs, and half of them require military service.

dd74 01-18-2009 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile (Post 4426496)
The ONE potential upside to this is that it discourages highly-trained, highly-educated people from "settling" and taking crap jobs. It encourages them to stay home and (hopefully) to push for and/or look for jobs in their field which hopefully will put them in a position where they'll earn way more than they'd make either on state UI or working some McJob part-time someplace.

Yeah, you say that now...

Porsche-O-Phile 01-18-2009 07:59 PM

Yea I know... But the truth remains - there's literally no incentive to go out and work a P/T job under the current UI rules. It's maddening.

fintstone 01-18-2009 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dd74 (Post 4426597)
Civilian positions? I've looked at job postings on USA Jobs, and half of them require military service.

Yes, civil service. GG-13. The jobs don't require military experience but that does make one more competitive. One needs engineering experience and the ability to get a security clearance. When we close an announcement, we get the names and resumes of the 15 or so folks that HR thinks are qualified...and select from there.

USA Jobs lists external advertisements (people not already in civ service). Lots of jobs listed are not available yet (collecting resumes). I advertise most of my jobs internal (on an AF site) and external (USA Jobs). I know the civil service hiring system quite well...so if you have any questions...

ruf-porsche 01-18-2009 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile (Post 4426517)

I'm considering a career change too - believe me. But it's also a bit tough when you're almost in your 40s...

40 is the new 30.

ruf-porsche 01-18-2009 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AZ_porschekid (Post 4426531)
close to getting the axe. work is at a stand still.
i'm close to standing out by the home depot with all the mexicans...

I see very few Mexicans standing by our Home Depot. The few that I do see are loading up their truck because they have a JOB and are buying material to complete their JOB.

dd74 01-18-2009 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 4426662)
Y...so if you have any questions...

I do have questions. PM'd you. SmileWavy

therotman 01-18-2009 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile (Post 4426656)
Yea I know... But the truth remains - there's literally no incentive to go out and work a P/T job under the current UI rules. It's maddening.


insurance

while my wife was out of work as well as myself it would have been worth it for me to get a p/t job that had insurance while collecting unemployment.

other than that you are 100% correct.




McCain mentioned while he was running that our unemployment system was still set up for the 1930's or 40's but i never heard what he planned to do about it.

varmint 01-19-2009 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dd74 (Post 4426456)
Yes, but freelance. The pay in most cases is a joke. :rolleyes:

the pay is actually pretty good.

am getting sick of the freelance lifestyle. will be making a push for a real job this year.

dd74 01-19-2009 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by varmint (Post 4426950)
the pay is actually pretty good.

Illustration usually pays better than text. Or maybe you have better clients than I. :cool:

Quote:

Originally Posted by varmint (Post 4426950)
am getting sick of the freelance lifestyle. will be making a push for a real job this year.

I heard that! SmileWavy

hook682 01-19-2009 01:52 AM

I was layed off last April after 8 years at a large Pharm company. Was out of work exactly one month. Got picked up with an O&M in the power industry working at the largest refinery on the eastern seaboard. Same pay and with better benefits then the last job. Hopefully power is a more secure industry than pharm in the long term. When I started at the drug company in 2000 I seriously thought I had a job for life.

drew1 01-19-2009 05:23 AM

I was one of 5 folks in the machine shop where I work. In Oct 1 was transferred to millwrightshop. Monday, the week before Thanksgiving, 1 was laid off. That Wed another boy from a plant on our site being shut down was transferred to our shop upon completion of an overhaul. Monday morning Thanksgiving week, another was laid off. Monday afternoon, us remaining 2 were told that we were going Wed afternoon.

Of us 5, 2 have gotten new jobs. 1 of them with less pay. & has picked up some part time work, too. Another 1 of us, has an interview today, likely he'll get hired, but less pay. My old boss called me yesterday & said to come back Tuesday. Haven't heard from the other boy, he was looking forward to drawing halftime & catching up on work around his place.

An odd thing is that in this workforce reduction, some folks were terminated with severance pay & all of us laid off with no severance but company paying their part of insurance for 8 weeks.

moliver 01-19-2009 05:31 AM

I have been feeling the same thing...there are open positions and the HR is interviewing...BUT as soon as it comes to hire someone they freeze.

Hawktel 01-19-2009 06:24 AM

I got layed off August 7th.

I got rehired oct 12th, started work Nov 3. I got a 14 grand per year pay raise, but the commute went from 200 yards to 35 miles. Also my benifits are extermely weak with the new job.

The new job is hiring people like mad. The boss did 55 interviews last week. Needs another 20 people. Routinely will tall the background people to check 15 people, only to lose 10 to poor backgrounds.

TGTIW 01-19-2009 08:31 AM

I'm a freelance television producer and have not been able to find anything since December. My wife has 3 months left in her doctorate program, so now it's a race to see if we run out of money before she can take the boards and start working. Right now I'm trying to line something up delivering pizzas.


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