About to get a SIG 1911.
 

I'm trading my refinished HK P7PSP for a Commander-clone SIG. These P7's are quite an anomaly in market economics. They're no longer made, super high quality and the prices are dropping. The German police turn-ins are flooding the U.S. So I found a guy who wants to do an even trade. See below.

http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=25&produ ctid=133

I really want a Series 70 Commander, but they're north of $1000 now. The one I helped my mom pick out for my dad for Xmas when I was six was $150 back then. I'll inherit that one, so I can settle for a clone until then.

why not an hk usp compact .45 tactical mit der threaded barrel??????mmmmmm yummy. gun show today. chucky sonic may spring big bucks for a hk sp-89 and sit on that sucker until some moron is dying for a host to build his mp-5k and pay me da big bucks.

younger spawn and i are going maybe around 10am.


mission today: all hk foo foo parts for all platforms i own. if i can get it today i will save freight big time.

since i saw this crap coming a while back i have been grabbing what i can since we got drawn for elk last may. spare mags/clips/firing pins/ammo/ etc.

will be biz as usual around my dump while the naysayers get screwed big time by the anti gunner dimmycrats.
hahahahahahahahahahaha

have spent some seriass bucks on upgrades and backups but its been fun as hell. general rule of thumb.............each pistol gets 7 mags as backup and of course they are all evil hi-caps where possible.

black evil thangs.........well lets say im up to around 40 someodd hk-91 20 rounders now and god knows how many m-14 mags. surprising only price jump big time has been usgi m-14 mags they have jumped alot. all other hi caps seem to be holding for now.

i got screwed big time on timing with the clinton ban, IT AINT HAPPENING A SECOND TIME!

call me if ya wanna go today 602 558-1987

Nice piece Rick, i didn't even know Sig made 1911 clones now.

I used to have a .45 Springfield "Champion" (commander), i really liked it.

that sig is nice, check out the kimber compacts. lapd detectives sat down and redesigned kimbers compact for themselves. lots of innovation.

my kid wants the usp compact .45 mit der threaded barrel for future suppressor acquisition. hes 6 months away from his ccw and being 21. dad may spring for it and "hold it" for him til then. read that "hold it" and shoot the SNOT OUTTA IT! until he turns 21! "thanks son.........that was fun! its broken in now!"

I don't really dig the Kimbers, but i haven't handled one in quite a few years- perhaps i'd like them now. Haven't really followed the new gun scene since about 2000. I have one that i am quite fond of, that works very well.

I love the HK P7's, and have toyed about the idea of tracking down one of the German trade ins, but so far i've resisted the urge.

check out the new kimber line. yummy stuff. cdnn.com has some of those P7's. at least at last look. the contact at cdnn is marshall. ask for him. great guy to deal with over phone. they lak me alot . they lak my credit card alot also. quick shipping and all the mags/clips i have bought have been in perfect shape.

problem with older hk's.............spendy on the mags. ask me how i know???? with purchasing HK4 and HK P9S in .45 you will choke at what some want for mags. $100 bucks some have been asking for p9s .45 mags. yikes. i have bought 6 so far 3 and then 3 for 50 bucks apiece.

p9s .45 mags getting really really rare now. p9s in 9mm starting to climb also.

i got some hk usp compact 9mm 13 leo mags from cdnn new in hk bag for 38 bucks. i was happy with that as well as some factory berretta m-9 15 rd mags usgi sand resistant phosphated for 15 bucks and some factory 15 rd mags blue italian made for 27 bucks.

Kimbers rock. I'd take another look. Outstanding quality. Bought one of their 4" models last November. Took it home, lub'ed it up, and put over 300 rounds through it. It is more accurate than I'll ever be and not one failure of any type.

rick its 810am and im leaving for da really BIG GUN SHOW in about an 1 1/2 hrs. fair grounds on 19th and mcdowell. call me if ya wanna go. asap. like now, if not yesterday. its gonna be SIG-FEST und HK FESTIVUS!

and if i find a deal on an hk sp-89 today, i will be running out of the fairgrounds on my way to the dez to shoot the snoot outta it! YEE HAW.

its called HK-DRUNK. great while its happening..............its the morning after thats fatal to yer pocketbook! kinda like poorshee parts.

My sister bought a house (a state out west ;) ) and found a box hidden in the heat duct with 2 Colts - one pieced together (but still nice) WWII 45 and one perfect series 70 Commander. She sent them to my Dad who collects. I thought I might end up with it someday as I had expressed the same sentiment as you about the series 70 45s. He sold it. :( Very frustrating as I would have bought it for the $650 he got about 2 years ago.

Thanks Charles. Can't go to the gun show. The prices there are just insulting and I don't have the cash after my big vacation to splurge. Nowadays, those ugn shows are only good for the private party deals out front.

Kimber has been having QC issues recently. I don't know enough about them to know what build dates or serail numbers to avoid. I think most newer HK's are simply not worth what they cost. They are nice, but I think SIG are a better buy.

Kimber got the build quality control issue under control, and their customer service is top notch. My Kimber is of a much higher quality than my Para Ord.

Bill

Just got it. Very nice gun, looks unfired and uncarried. Now I need to do something about the short grip. It's about the size of an Officer's model and I think I need a magwell to cover up the 8-rd. mags and give me some more grip.

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That's why they made the Commander. Not being a smart ass but why didn't you just get full size 1911 frame. Sig doesn't make one?

I ordered an HK USP 40 Compact direct from them through the airline pilot program. They offer the USP 40 Compact with the LE trigger. ..Same model as the FFDO's carry. Gun, two mags, night sights for $495, shipping included. should be here in a week or two. ...pretty stoked.

No, I think this one is shorter than a Commander. My dad's Commander feels a lot more comfortable in my hand than this one. I think this one could become a nice CCW piece though. My ful size 1911 is a little long for that, so I only use it for open carry on the bike. I'll probably get to the range tomorrow to try this thing out. Some kind of mag well or mag butt plate will make this right.

That's a smokin' deal.

Sorry for a hijack (no pun intended)....but any Part 121 pilots on here, PM me if you want a coupon. I've been passing these out to my guys in recurrent classes. <BR><BR>

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Got it. That would be awkward. The way it is a Commander hits me above the pinky line as drawn straight back. Not my favorite target gun, but great for carry.

The Commander had a short slide with full size grip. It's the officers that has the shorter grip.

I agree with Rick, the 7 rd Officers frame is too short, i had one.

I stand corrected. I've been out of the gun loop about 15 years now. They're all starting to blend.

The last large bore I had was a series 80 Stainless Officers. Nice but weighed a ton.

Honestly, the shorter grip on my SIG P239 doesn't bother me at all and it's probably the most accurate gun I own. It's just that on this SIG 1911, the mainspring housing is checkered at 20 LPI and I can just envision that taking a bite out of my hand. The SIG P239 is about the only model no one make mag extensions for, but the ergonomics of it don't make it uncomfortable to shoot at all, at least in 9mm and .40. I wouldn't want one in .357SIG. I'll have no problem getting a magwell or magazine mods for this, as 1911 parts grow on trees.

What are Sig X-5s http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/51/products_id/50878 are they really any better. Better match grade barrel or something. Is a match grade barrel really any better on a handgun?

Rick, why did you get rid of the P7? What didn't you like about it?

Hey guys, what's a "Series 70 Commander" vs. ??? I've got a perfect Combat Commander (steel version) that I purchased almost 30 years ago, so I assume I have one, but was just curious, and a quick web search didn't return a definitive answer. I'm not into this stuff like you guys are (anymore), but sure do like my CC.

I really want a Sig 1911 since I'm reloading .45ACP, it would be great to shoot! I'm looking for a Sig that will shoot .40S&W and .357Sig with a barrel and magazine swap since I reload both of those cartridges and I don't have a pistol to shoot those with (yet). I just went to the range Friday evening with my S&W Model 645 and shot some of my reloaded .45ACP and I was very happy with the results. The S&W 645 is smooth and there isn't any more recoil than a 9mm produces. I bet the Sig 1911 shoots well!

Should be pretty easy to tell since they have "SERIES 70" stamped on the slides.

No complaints at all, other than the lack of a heat shield on the PSP's. That makes them get mighty hot at the range and don't cool off too fast in the AZ heat. Besides, CDNN is selling them now for $499, so it's the only high-quality, discontinued gun in the world whose price is dropping. When I got my first one, they were around $1000 and I sold that one about a week before a new batch of German police turn-ins flooded the US and dropped the prices again. I'd rather just wait until I have the cash for a an P7M8, M10 or M13. Besides, holsters and mags for all these P7 models are crazy expensive.

I guess mine isn't one then (I just checked). My serial number does start with a 70 however. I "think" I purchased mine in '80 (might have been '79 though). Do you know what the difference is between a "Series 70", and what I have?

I don't know a whole lot about them, but I thought they all had SERIES 70 or SERIES 80 stamped on the slides unless they were something else. Someone here has to know a lot more than I do.

Hey Keith, it deals with the firing pin block. You might check HERE for more info.

Thanks Hal! After reading that link, I don't even have to break mine down to check, I know it has the firing pin block back from when I purchased it :).

man just shell out the big bucks for a springfield leatham special and be done with it. no snivileling allowed. each and every gun i was "cheap" on and then hot rodded the hell outta of it i regretted. why? cuz i spent wayyyyyyyyyy more hot rodding it than if i bought the zoomy version in the first place.

rule of thumb: buy what fits not glitz and glamour.

next go shoot 200 rds yes 200rds of 3 flavors. JHP/FMJ federal/winchester/remington or whatever flavor trips yer trigger ie. corbons.

do 3 shot groups at a time with each flavor. place very damp COLD shop rag over barrel after shooting. let cool. then repeat above and see what the hell kind of grouping ya got. pick the best flavor and go buy a 1000 rds and sit on it until dec 21 2012 when the nostradamus FIESTA comes to be. come on over to my house with yer 1000 rds and a case of cold juans and we will fight off the zombees together all the while lamenting we didnt buy MORE AMMO at wally world.

Well, that was the shortest SIG ownership ever, about 24 hrs. before I traded it for a Colt Series 70 Lightweight Commander. Don Davis and I hit the gun show and he STOLE a cherry SIG P229 in two tone, I believe the slide was a Robar NP3, with night sights for $450. Photos to follow soon.

Hee hee!

Had a ton of fun. Lots more to come, too.

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Rick how many rounds do you gotta fire through the HK P7 cop model before it starts causing serious discomfort?

I'm seriously toying with the notion of buying one.

For carry duty, you'd have ot be in a serious firefight before it was too hot to shoot. And the mags are expensive enough that you won't be able to buy too many. I'd say, if you run through four mags pretty quickly, you'd have to put her down for a few minutes, shoot another gun for a while and then come back to it. At an indoor range with a/c, that's no problem. Outdoors in the summer here, be sure it's not the only gun you have at the range, or wear gloves. Otherwise, spend twice the money on the P7M8 model with the heat shield.

I wonder if my gunsmith could fabricate a heat shield for it. Seems like that'd be a good aftermarket item, a fella could make a few bucks selling those i bet.

4 mags worth is not enough (are we talking 13 round or 8 round mags? Speaking of, how much ARE the mags? You've mentioned their high cost a few times now).

At any rate, i need a sidearm with good sustainable firepower, in case the zombies ever come.

This is what i have been relying on since the early 90s...

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Match grade bbl, trijicon night sights, mag-na-ported, hand fitted 6906 compact bbl/slide on full size(full capacity) 5903 grip frame, aftermarket extended safety, bobbed hammer, trigger job, custom finish, hogue grips, blah, blah, blah. I have about 10 high cap S&W 15rd mags for it as well. It's a great firearm, i just really want a P7...

Why not buy the real deal. It will never go down in value. I see them from $500 -$1,000 all the time.
Here is mine.

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Keep that 6909 as a backup. Don got his gun yesterday for about what those 6906's are going for and his SIG is twice the gun. I hate those safeties.

Maybe the P7 mag prices have come down with the guns. But last time I got some, they were $50'ish per. They hold seven rounds, so 7+1. AFAIK, no one makes aftermarket mags for them. They are super, super guns. But like all guns, they have their place and can cause problems if used outside of their place. And unless you want the cheapo neoprene Uncle Mike's holster, which is adequate, the correct holsters for P7's ain't cheap either. And these guns are heavy too. For the weight and money it takes to have one of these as a CCW gun, I just prefer a SIG. But when funds allow, I'll snag another P7 or two. They seem to defy market economics at the moment, but at some point, a very high-quality German gun that's no longer in production has to start gaining value again. Doesn't it?

BTW, I saw a P9S like Charles Kieffner's yesteday for $1250.

1911's also have their place. This one below looks just like the one I got yesterday.

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