Looking at a SW AR-15
 

Are these SW pretty much trouble free now? I've never owned or shot an AR but can't believe it's much different from any other semi-auto gun. I've bounced around lately from a couple WWII guns to an AR. I 'was this close' to buying an AR last week and passed to 'think' about it and called later that day with a couple questions and they said what AR, we are out of stock. I asked specifically about the one I looked at and they said it was sold. So I called around and everyone says they are recently sold out. One shop said if you can find one grab it because they are a 'hot item'. Are these really flying off the shelves that fast? Is it in fear of what BHO has in store?

PS: Move to PARF if you see fit.......

I have had good luck with S&W MP15 rifles for work.

S&W should be very good. I bought an Armalite last year. It works beautifully. From my understanding, the Colt is "The One".

But...just try buying an M1A these days! Whew! Spendy!

I've got a Bushmaster. I love it.

Yep, they are flying off the shelves for a very PARFy reason.

Bill,
If you can't find one around home, let me know. There a couple of serious gun shops I know of around here.

I've heard nothing good about the SW M&P ar's, a friend of mine is in law enforcement and also sold them at a store part time- the issue had to do with barrel wear or splitting barrels, not sure. Given that, a lot of the info is hearsay but I would check into it first. I own a S&W firearm and am less than impressed with their quality control. Very good factory service, prompt turnaround, but...

The 'Bushmaster' was what I was 'thinking' about. They had a molded lower stock & pistol grip along with the reciever. I really wanted the retractable stock and Scope ready instead of a carry handle. That's what I was looking for.

Oh Haha - See what they have in AR-15s and email/call me. The SW is so far away that they 'complimentary' hold it for 1wk.

I've looked at the M1 Garand, PPSH-41 (Burp gun) and the AR-15. I know Apples and oranges, but I've been into WWII stuff lately. A friend got me into the ARs.. Unfortunately, they are all 'probably' on BHOs list......

Not the M1. The M1 Carbine is, but not the M1 rifle.

www.odcmp.com

I guess I'm not sure what you are saying but these are what I was considering (correct or speical grade)..

http://www.thecmp.org/m1garand.htm

EDIT: Nevermind, I think you are saying the M1 Carbine is on BHO list but not the M1 rifle...

My $79.95 Olympia Arms lower receiver and $56 LPK just arrived. I'll pick them up this week and then the build begins. I saw no AR's for under $1000 at the gun show this past weekend.

Olympic Arms T3 L/R are $125.

The early S&Ws were made entirely made by Stag Arms. S&W put their name on them and raised the price $200. Now days S&W makes the lower receiver, and the barrels are made by Thompson Center. Can't say if thats good or bad, just FYI.

Go here and search for AR.. https://www.gunbroker.com/

Go COLT, or don't go... ;) There a couple on there for @ $1250-1400 ish. Sounds like you want a LE 6920 model.

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Bill, most folks with AR's will all tell you that the brand they own is the best. Basically AR-15's have evolved into a pretty reliable weapon.... Any of the modern name brand versions are going to work pretty d@mn good. Sometimes guys can manage to piece a lemon together with mismatched parts of questionable origin, but most current name brand stuff is going to function plenty good for a private citizen.

All that said, I of course am partial to the brand that I have... Rock River Arms...

Here is an article about how Rock River beat out all the other "big" names and was awarded a 5000 gun contract with the DEA/FBI a few years ago. ;)


http://www.rockriverarms.com/images/pdfs/gm_oct04.pdf

There is a dealer near Toledo.... Adco.... He is probably back ordered and sells alot of custom builds to guys in the sand box, but I bought my RRA flat top midlength 16" from him several years ago and he was great to deal with.

The S&W's I have purchased for work have been over the past year, year and a half. We haven't had any problems.

With that being said, my personal AR is a Rock River Arms heavy barrel Varmit model. It has been dead reliable.

Bill

I called a TON of places to see what was really available. I found quite a few Bushmaster and a few S&W along with one used SIG. But after at least 25 places NO ONE had a Colt AR. So naturally this is what I want now. So I kept calling around and I found one Colt AR-15 6721 actually not to far from me. So I put it on hold and will be picking it up tomorrow after work. It's ~1700 which I didn't think was too bad considering I couldn't find one pretty much anywhere in the State. I'm sure there are some someplace but I'm pretty much set on this one now. Thanks everyone!

Oh, BTW, I received a reply on the PPSH-41 from that collector and he was asking $21,900 for it. Couldn't get approval from the wife on that one. At least for now. I told her I will have one one day so prepare yourself...

Yikes Bill! It is your money, but unless it has a bunch of fancy toys already installed, you are paying about a $700 premium for an AR.

Holy crap!! $1700.00 for a freakin' gun?:eek:

Dude, do you know how much faster the 930 could be for that much money?





Did the links I sent get you anywhere? Those shops came highly recommended form the gun guy that works for me.

I've decided on a Kel-Tec Sub 2000 as my last pre-AWB2 gun.

I can't find them anywhere since they showed up on a Brady Campaign wish list.

I did get my Bushmaster in August for a little over $1,000, and that was after prices had gone up due to raw material prices.

Well, it may be the times and me coming late to the party. But it seems to be the going price all over the place. For EX... http://www.impactguns.com/store/COLT-AR6721BF.html

OhHaha - Not really. Thanks for the links any ways. All I found was Bushmasters and S&W. That's ok, but I kept looking. Heck!! 1700 for a gun?, try almost 22k for that PPSH-41. I'm still tempted on picking it up due to the documents and history.

Bushmasters were around 1k and S&W was around 1200 and that SIG was 1175 used. I don't know where they were before BHO but from my limited research that Colt 'for today's prices' weren't out of line.

if this is any indication of their quality control i would say look elsewhere.

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I agree! That's why I've shifted gears and now seriously looking at the Colt.

Yeah, these days it's not that bad of a price, relatively speaking. As long as you know going in that you are paying full AWB-scare retail/mark-up. Sometimes the convenience factor (no shipping or FFL transfers) is worth it.

Although just an FYI: The 6721 is the non-stepped, heavy-barrel (HBAR) version. So, that gun is heavier and longer than the 6920. It also has a 1/9 barrel twist, so it's not as accommodating on ammo selection (vs. the 6920's 1/7 twist). The 6920 is the one in high demand, and I have still seen them for less than $1600 currently. You should be able to do a bit better on the 6721 if you are looking for a deal.


Check the following places:

www.gunbroker.com
www.gunsamerica.com
www.auctionarms.com
www.clydearmory.com
etc. etc. etc.........


SmileWavy

WCC you ain't lookin for a Rube now are ya? Some one that don't know the value that these little black weapons are bringing now are ya? Colt LE Ar15 are priced at $2295.00 down in Houston.

You Boyz are playin in the sandbox...if ya wana seperate the men from the boys then your talkin Knights SR15...I havn't seen a better made Black gun yet....

An if yer talkin about AR10 then the SR25 is the onlyyyy way to flyyyy...a bullet downrange.

...And as I mentioned, you can still find them under $1600 if you are fairly resourceful (and maybe a little patient). You can find them all day long for $1700. I was looking for one for a while, but now I'd rather have a Bushmaster + $600 in my pocket.
Nice guns, but lots of hype IMO. I'd love to have one just for the cachet/investment/resale factor, but there are plenty of other black rifles out there that equal or surpass them for less $$ (LMT, Larue, & Noveske come to mind). Unless you are good buddies with Reed Knight himself, you wouldn't see a factory new gun order fulfilled for years anyway, even if you had the $$ (Gov't contracts come first).

LIke the Navy Seals, US Army, Australian Army, Israelie Army...those contracts...that is their chosen sniper rifle.

IMO the US Army M-25 rifle is superior in every way that matters. I would not even compare it to the M-24, a weapon with much longer range than either the M-25 or SR-25(M-110). The lack of a forward assist on the SR-25 is highly peculiar.

Special forces groups are often guilty of having a "Gun of the month club" mentality, i view this to be one of those cases. The SR-25 addresses a problem that did not exist, IMO.

Shrug.

Generally speaking, i think most civives would be far better served with a Mini-14, it is a far more robust design than the AR, and it can operate in crappy environments without the special care and lubricants required by an AR. Mini-14s are also less than 1/2 the cost.

Ya know ya are right about the Mini 14....

Thats why I have NM M1's and a Winchester mdl 70 Coyote (med weight SS barrel, laminated stock with a Leupold 14 X 56 scope) in 308 as well.

I bought a used Colt Sporter II AR15 for $800 last May and I really enjoy shooting it. If you get one, I'd recommend that you buy a lot of ammo, since the prices are climbing. I reload my own ammo and that's how I can afford to shoot it at the local range. Buy some extra magazines and get a cleaning kit (with boresnake). AR15's are a lot of fun to shoot and I imagine the S&W would be a decent rifle, I just prefer the Colt.

Bill, the Colt will not do anything better than a Bushmaster, Stag, Armalite or a Rock River Arms AR 15. If you gotta have a Colt, buy it, but I would hate to see you spend the extra dough if you are doing it because you think the other brands are of poor quality.

Go spend some time at AR15.com if you have not already and you will see plenty of guys who shoot 1000's upon 1000's of rounds through all the big name brands without issue.

Here is an article I found on AR15.com that is a very detailed AR selection guide. http://www.ar15.com/content/page.html?id=493

In case you ever plan on swapping uppers and lowers, I am pretty sure Colts have bastard sized pin holes that do not readily work with other brands of standard AR components. This of course won't matter if you never intend to marry different components together.

The Garand is a magnificent weapon. I often wonder why the US Military ever abandoned the M-14 rifle (an evolved Garand). To me, it is the ultimate expression of a battlefield rifle, and has never been surpassed.

I absolutely trusted mine (the M-21 is a M-14 derivative) with my life.

Isnt this why we drive Porsches?

Yep :D I was just trying to make sure that WCC knows that Bushmaster, Armalite, RRA etc all make AR15's that are comparable in form/fit/function as a Colt, but without the extra price mark-up.

Thanks guys you've given me lots to consider.

Tim - that was a great article explaining the differences. That's going to be very helpful.

I would like some collectability and not just a shooter. I thought I was going to get that with a S&W but it's looking like a Colt would be the way to go.

When the next ban comes, ANYTHING will have some collectibility. I just picked up my Superior Arms lower receiver today for $79. It too will be collectible when the ban comes. I plan to get at least $400 for it eventually.

i like this one.
but i like rotary phones too.

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