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Jim Richards 02-12-2009 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Walter_Middie (Post 4481947)
So your 401K is shot, and now you are counting on your home value for retirement? Aren't realestate values still either going down, or expecting to go up really slowly for many many years? I am about to sell a house that I almost have paid off, and sink myself deep into a really nice house, in a nice neighborhood, in hopes that it will increase in value faster than the house I'm in now - once the economy improves. I'm 50, and don't plan on retiring for several years. I too look forward to paying the thing off, but where else can I put my investment money? I have people telling me that paying off the house is not the way to increase my net worth.

Not sure I follow you, Rex. We're only counting on our home to be our home, not an investment. We have been and will continue to save/invest for our retirement. Perfect time for dollar cost averaging.

Jim Richards 02-12-2009 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bell (Post 4482025)
michelle smacked me on the forehead and said i told her that a while back, guess it slipped my mind :D

Gettin' old and senile, Bell! BTW, say hi to Michelle from me & Lu.

bell 02-12-2009 05:10 PM

you know it LOL

if you ever make it to florida you and lu have a place to stay :)

ruf-porsche 02-12-2009 05:34 PM

I'm starting over. Just lock in at 4.75 for the next thirty years.

TheMentat 02-12-2009 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 4481833)
LOL we're signing the papers tonight to complete the refi on our house, 15 year loan at 4.5%.

Paying it all the way off is not a priority for me, with payments as low as a car payment I don't sweat it. We pay more for gas and insurance than we do the house.


My thoughts exactly...

I can understand the benefit of being entirely debt free if you want to just "coast", but I'd be surprised if you couldn't think of an investment that yields more than 4.5% with moderate risk... that is an easy spread to pick up with any funds from a refi...

Walter_Middie 02-12-2009 06:20 PM

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Not sure I follow you, Rex.
My wife and I have been struggling with this question for a few years now - Do we pay off the house, live comfortably and travel? Or do we buy one more house, and have it paid off by the time we retire? We have just decided to buy another house - so I had to comment on your thread when I saw it. Our house that is almost paid off went on the market a couple of days ago. Our first open house is this Sunday. I guess I want to know that we are making the right move.

daepp 02-12-2009 06:34 PM

No coasting here. No debt, but I'm staring down the barrel of three college educations over the next 10 years.

livi 02-12-2009 06:56 PM

Congrats!

I will die in stile, debts up to my neck.

campbellcj 02-12-2009 08:34 PM

Congrats! I'm hoping to be completely debt-free by 50. That will take some consistent high income and discipline, plus will be even harder if we move up in house before then. Cali is so effin expensive...we still have one giant MD loan to deal with first but everything else is clear.

Jim Richards 02-13-2009 02:54 AM

The argument about leverage vs being debt free is always an interesting one. For us, the tipping point was hit about 6 years ago, when I was laid off for the first time (and hopefully last time) in my career. Being in the technology field, my employers typically went through rounds of layoffs every two years or so. It never hurt me, but it did leave me and my wife stressed out. A while after the tech bubble burst, my then employer went through quarterly layoffs for a year and a half. I was whacked in the 5th of 6 layoffs as the company shrunk its headcount by 85%. After a nice "summer vacation," I was back to work at my present outfit at 2/3 my former pay. Nowadays, I'm pretty much back on my career track. Touch wood.

My wife and I made the decision then that we must be able to live comfortably on one income. The best way for us to do that was to eliminate payments for where we live. We're finally at that point, and it feels good. YMMV :)

Tim Walsh 02-13-2009 04:13 AM

Congratulations! Steff and I have another 21 years on the current track.

Hendog 02-13-2009 07:59 AM

Congratulations!! 11 years to go (20 contractually).

rattlsnak 02-13-2009 08:06 AM

people who have no bills = zombies in my book.....











congrats, even though you suk. ;)

cgarr 02-13-2009 08:19 AM

What a great and refreshing bunch of people here! Most are looking to pay off and get out of debt ahead of time, Times get tough and its all about eliminating debt, not going further into:

HOW REFRESHINGSmileWavy

KFC911 02-13-2009 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMentat (Post 4482134)
My thoughts exactly...

I can understand the benefit of being entirely debt free if you want to just "coast", but I'd be surprised if you couldn't think of an investment that yields more than 4.5% with moderate risk... that is an easy spread to pick up with any funds from a refi...

I would dare say that "most" who have the financial discipline to pay off their primary mortgages are not the type to simply "coast", but continue to invest wisely, buy investment properties, etc. without having their home "in play" if their merry-go-round suddenly stops. Having spent much of my IT career in banking (during the heyday of acquisitions, mergers, head count reductions, etc.), I observed MANY successful, highly paid (typically management is the first to get the axe) types suddenly stressed out to the max, and learned my lesson early on. Of course, one isn't "maximizing leveraging" by keeping their home out of the equation, but I prefer to have slightly less leverage with KMA investments (Dueller's term) instead :). Different strokes...congratulations Jim!!!

Seahawk 02-13-2009 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Richards (Post 4482558)
The argument about leverage vs being debt free is always an interesting one. For us, the tipping point was hit about 6 years ago, when I was laid off for the first time (and hopefully last time) in my career. Being in the technology field, my employers typically went through rounds of layoffs every two years or so. It never hurt me, but it did leave me and my wife stressed out. A while after the tech bubble burst, my then employer went through quarterly layoffs for a year and a half. I was whacked in the 5th of 6 layoffs as the company shrunk its headcount by 85%. After a nice "summer vacation," I was back to work at my present outfit at 2/3 my former pay. Nowadays, I'm pretty much back on my career track. Touch wood.

My wife and I made the decision then that we must be able to live comfortably on one income. The best way for us to do that was to eliminate payments for where we live. We're finally at that point, and it feels good. YMMV :)

You just hit on the most important part of any investment strategy: personal comfort.

I have been very risk happy with my life in terms of putting myself in risk-rich environments physically.

But, investment-wise, I started following the advice of Andrew Tobias early and often. His strategy still resonates with me today: slow and steady, be aware and be comfortable with financial decisions, know the risks in advance. I still have a copy of his software, Managing Your Money in DOS:cool:

The point is, we all have our own risk tolerances in life and in investing. I have tried not to exceed either.

Jim Bremner 02-13-2009 09:00 AM

11 to go

the paid off note on the house is the new status symbol.

cgarr 02-13-2009 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Bremner (Post 4483178)
11 to go

the paid off note on the house is the new status symbol.

That and a stay home Wife:D

Jim Richards 02-13-2009 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by cgarr (Post 4483203)
That and a stay home Wife:D

How 'bout a stay home husband? :D

JMPRO 02-13-2009 10:00 AM

Both of my homes have been paid for years ago and I bought a new Mercedes and paid cash for it last year. It is very nice to be debt free. Many people tell me I should leverage my holdings but I like being a master of my own fate.
JMPRO


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