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Originally Posted by Taz's Master (Post 4483577)

"This 2009 Act being necessary for the immediate preservation of the public peace, health and safety, an emergency is declared to exist, and this 2009 Act takes effect on its passage."

This "Emergency" which so threatens "the immediate peace, health and safety" of Oregon has precipitated the people of the state of Oregon to empower The Environmental Quality Commission to adopt by rule "restrictions and prohibitions on the sale and distribution of after-market motor vehicle parts...if alternatives are available that decrease greenhouse gas emissions of motor vehicles."

If this is what the people of Oregon believe and want then their elected officials are merely doing their job. I do fear for their peace and safety during this emergency.

kudos on reading the bill's text

but you are mis-interpreting "emergency" -- all that does is allow the agency [EQC] to start the long rule-making process right after the bill passes (I doubt it will). Otherwise they would have to wait a while.

Once the EQC gets started, they will set a policy for ANOTHER agency (likely DEQ) to folllow, while it sets any actual rules that affect parts sellers. Both processes require a lot of time -- notice and comment, and most likely public meetings and a response by each agency to ALL comments. i.e. more time...

It is a bill for an act, and the act is necessary for the immediate preservation of the public peace, health and safety. To my reading it is the immediate threat to the public peace, health and safety that precipitated the act. I am dubious as to the immediacy of the threat and the appropriateness of the legislators' response to address the threat. I do agree with your assesment of the likelihood of its passage, but I am concerned with the idea of granting broad powers to a board with little chance of those powers meeting the goals of the legislation (restricting the sales and distribution of tires based on greenhouse gas emissions to preserve the public peace, health and safety).

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Ridiculous. SEMA should hire a lobbyist. And a lawyer.

I'm not much of a constitutional study, but isn't something somewhere in all that being violated?

They are on it,

http://www.semasan.com/main/main.aspx?id=62515

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URGENT LEGISLATIVE ALERT
Oregon Introduces Bill to Prohibit Sale of Aftermarket Parts
At the request of Governor Theodore Kulongoski, the Oregon Speaker of the House has introduced legislation (H.B. 2186) to prohibit the sale and distribution of aftermarket motor vehicle parts if alternatives are available that “decrease greenhouse gas emissions from motor vehicles.” The bill is primarily focused on aftermarket tires and would authorize the Environmental Quality Commission to implement enforcement regulations, likely based on a rolling resistance calculation.

We Urge You to Contact Oregon Speaker of the House Dave Hunt and Members of the Environment and Water Committee (Contact Information Below) Immediately to Request Their Opposition to H.B. 2186

H.B. 2186 would regulate vehicle fuel economy, an authority reserved to the federal government.

H.B. 2186 could ban tires that may have improved performance, handling or appearance features, based solely on a rolling resistance rating. In addition, this program could easily distract consumers from focusing on more important safety issues such as tire inflation and overloading of vehicles.

H.B. 2186 would force consumers to purchase only original equipment manufacturer (OEM) tires because the program essentially exempts OEM-selected tires and unfairly implies that they are superior to aftermarket products.

H.B. 2186 could prohibit aftermarket parts designed to either personalize or optimize specific vehicle performance attributes including handling, towing, suspension, fuel economy, etc.

H.B. 2186 provides broad authority to government regulators and could limit a range of aftermarket parts currently available to consumers based on the subjective determination of government regulators.
DON’T DELAY! Please contact Oregon Speaker Dave Hunt and the House Environment and Water Committee immediately to urge his opposition to H.B. 2186.

Oregon House Speaker Dave Hunt
Phone: 503/986-1440
Email: rep.davehunt@state.or.us

Oregon House Environment and Water Committee

Representative Ben Cannon – Chair
Phone: 503/986-1446
Email: rep.bencannon@state.or.us

Representative Jules Bailey
Phone: 503/986-1442
Email: rep.juleskopelbailey@state.or.us

Representative Phil Barnhart
Phone: 503/986-1411
Email: rep.philbarnhart@state.or.us

Representative Cliff Bentz
Phone: 503/986-1460
Email: rep.cliffbentz@state.or.us

Representative Deborah Boone
Phone: 503/986-1432
Email: rep.deborahboone@state.or.us

Representative Vic Gilliam
Phone: 503/986-1418
Email: rep.vicgilliam@state.or.us

Representative Bob Jenson
Phone: 503/986-1458
Email: rep.bobjenson@state.or.us

Representative Jefferson Smith
Phone: 503/986-1447
Email: rep.jeffersonsmith@state.or.us

and you can join up & help to keep the liberal sociast A-holes from taking our fun & rights.:mad:

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To join the SEMA Action Network (SAN), contact the SEMA Washington, DC office at the address or phone below, or just click on the appropriate link:
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Canadian Residents click here

SEMA Action Network
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The SEMA Action Network will not sell or distribute your E-mail address and will only use it for the purpose of contacting you in regards to the SEMA Action Network and its initiatives.

SEMA (Specialty Equipment Market Association) is an organization of more than 6,817 manufacturers, distributors and retailers of specialty products used by hobbyists to restore, maintain or improve their vehicle's appearance, speed and performance. On behalf of our industry and our consumers, we are fighting to preserve the rights of enthusiasts to restore, personalize and enjoy their vehicles.

http://www.bipac.net/page.asp?g=sema&content=join_pac

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How to Join the SEMA PAC

The Details

What is a SEMA PAC and why do we have one? Well, laws change. Lawmakers change. One thing that remains the same is the public’s need to be vigilant about how the laws and lawmakers change. And one way to maintain awareness as well as to help ensure that the changes are positive is through a political action committee (PAC). A PAC is a private group that is organized to help support or oppose government officials in order to promote legislation that is favorable the group’s interests. SEMA has such a PAC. This four year old entity allows us to pool our resources, which gives us a larger cumulative voice on Capitol Hill. PACs are funded by personal contributions, since associations such as SEMA are prohibited from using association funds to make political contributions. However, SEMA is allowed to fund all administrative costs of running the PAC, so 100% of the contributions made to the SEMA PAC are used to help elect industry-friendly legislators.

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What is a Prior Approval?

SEMA, as with all trade associations, must receive written permission from the executives of each of our member companies before we can provide information regarding our efforts on Capitol Hill and the PAC. Completing a prior approval form does not obligate anyone to contribute. It just helps the SEMA PAC to conform to the law; do a better job of furthering the impact of the PAC and allows us to contact you with SEMA PAC updates including a new free quarterly newsletter which includes insider information on what’s happening in Washington and which Members of Congress are friends of our industry.

sociast ??

your rant needs to be more intelligible

Please, do argue how this bill is anything but socialist.

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Originally Posted by RWebb (Post 4483948)

sociast ??

your rant needs to be more intelligible

Awww, you're just mad because he mis-spelled your party.

And while we're at it, to refute the statement in your post in the other thread, I don't think any of us use fart cans on our 911's.

The day is coming where aftermarket performance parts will be more regulated. SEMA is strong and the industry sells in excess of 60 billion (or they did in better times). But, they better take a proactive stance in their own back yard because some of the stuff sold is ridiculous. I'm not a believer in "loud pipes save lives." At least the way some would want me to believe.

We've had some crazy attempts here in CA to ban all old cars. To ban parts for old cars is another path to the same place. Of course, the Net and swaps would negate any of that.

Now, on to tires. Huge off road tires are used for 2 things, showing off or helping to destroy nature. Do I think we need to stop selling tires of this kind because of this? No, but I think if people who ride Harleys started not using straight pipes, then no one would consider a law banning them. Lifted trucks with huge tires are not safe; that's proven. I fail to see the point unless you live 20 miles up a dirt road.

Stores sell what people buy. If we were half way intelligent, we wouldn't need or buy some of the stuff sold. It's all the extreme merchandise that is getting the attention. I would submit that 200 amp stereos on the street have an underlying effect on the aftermarket and custom industry as a whole. There is no reasonable place in our society for auto sound equipment to be heard a half mile away.

One thing leads to another. As I said in my opening sentence, the day is coming where aftermarket performance parts will be more regulated. A little responsibility will go a long way.

Should I sum that up by saying self control will stall government control? I won't hold my breath.

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Originally Posted by milt (Post 4485159)

That's all well and good Milt, but who defines offensive? Maybe the person writing the law is an off-road enthusiast, and doesn't like little German sports cars or racing? It's pretty stupid to open that box, because eventually someone will be offended by something that YOU enjoy.

Personally I don't think it's the government's business. I think they have more important things to worry about. Anyone offended by loud stereos, fart cans, and big off-road tires really just needs to lighten up. Last time I checked, there's not "right to not be offended" in the Constitution. Take away someone else's freedoms, eventually they'll be back to take yours.

We can agree to disagree. Who defines offensive would be the same that define good manners. Sure, it's all subjective, but if you're going to sit in front of me eating, chewing with your mouth open, talking with your mouth full and food falling out, I'd say the majority will find that offensive. And as you say, some won't.

It's a consensus of opinion. Push too far and you will get pushed back.

And why is it that the most annoying people are always in the slim minority?