Running car on water boost

[gr8fl4porsche]

Ever research the devices that convert water into hydrogen and oxygen and burn the hydrogen along with gasoline for increased mileage.

Seems far fetched but my mechanic is going to try it on a test vehicle, a newer Chevy pickup. He should have it finished next month. He plans to invest under a grand. If it works and no error codes come up on MIL, then he plans to start an install business.

Is this theoretically possible for this device to work on a modern computer controlled car?

[lendaddy]

ughh

[gr8fl4porsche]

I agree - don't buy it either but am curious if there is any real info about this scheme?

[IROC]

Hoax. Don't bother. He'd be better off spending that $1000 on gas.

[notfarnow]

Originally Posted by lendaddy

ughh

+1

It's bull

Just think about it:

1) Burn fuel to turn motor
2) turning motor spins alternator
3) alternator creates electricity
4) electricity is used to create hydrogen
5) hydrogen is burned in engine

You can't get more energy from a fuel than it took to create it.

More here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water-fuelled_car

This article focuses on those cars or motors which purport to extract their energy directly from water, a process which would violate the first and/or second laws of thermodynamics

in summary:

[billwagnon]

So you use energy to take the water apart, then put it back together to get part of your energy back?

[notfarnow]

As an experiment (albeit accidental) I ran my suzuki on a 75/25 diesel/water mix while launching my sailboat (and subsequently, my suzuki).

I can assure you, it won't run on water. Not for long anyway.

[Moses]

Originally Posted by gr8fl4porsche

...my mechanic is going to try it on a test vehicle, a newer Chevy pickup. He should have it finished next month. He plans to invest under a grand.

Tell him to spend the $1000 on a physics course.

The amount of energy required to break the hydrogen/oxygen bonds exceed the energy released when burning the hydrogen you have generated.

No free lunch.

[rammstein]

What if he used a gererator?

[notfarnow]

Originally Posted by rammstein

What if he used a gererator?

Bingo. That would make all the difference!

[Moses]

Originally Posted by rammstein

What if he used a gererator?

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[oldE]

I don't believe for a second water is being "ionized to hydrogen and oxygen" as an aquaintance of mine claims. This is what I think is going on.

These devices usually have a water jacket on an exhaust manifold, from which vapors are drawn into the intake. I'm guessing there is a small amount of vater vapor condensing in the intake, then being flashed to steam in the combustion chamber. If the engine was turboed, it might be useful, after all, some large turbocharged aircraft engines used water injection to delay detonation.

Oh well.
Les

[Andras Nagy]

Have you noticed that occassionally there come along someone who "discovers" a new method of getting energy for "free", as if others haven't thought about it before?

Just like the 100 MPG carburetor - it doen't exist, it never will.

The use of pure hydrogen to propel a car is also a great idea, if only there were all this pure hydrogen floating around. Where does anyone think the pure hydrogen comes from? No, one has to extract the hydrogen from somewhere, and that extraction consumes energy, which costs money, and you have to factor that cost into the cost of the fuel, and soon you're back to where you started.

There is no free lunch, there is NOTHING for free.

[Moses]

Originally Posted by Andras Nagy

There is no free lunch, there is NOTHING for free.

Exactly! Unless you have a stable high-energy molecule conveniently stored in nature, like crude oil or natural gas.

[gtc]

Originally Posted by Moses

Tell him to spend the $1000 on a physics course.

The amount of energy required to break the hydrogen/oxygen bonds exceed the energy released when burning the hydrogen you have generated.

No free lunch.

They don't need to take physics because they already know that it will work! They saw it on the internet!

[notfarnow]

Originally Posted by oldE

These devices usually have a water jacket on an exhaust manifold, from which vapors are drawn into the intake. I'm guessing there is a small amount of vater vapor condensing in the intake, then being flashed to steam in the combustion chamber. If the engine was turboed, it might be useful, after all, some large turbocharged aircraft engines used water injection to delay detonation.

The ones that the intertubes are all aflutter over use 12v current off the battery/alternator to make hydrogen.

I truly believe that people are captivated by them because they are neat to look at, and create a bit of drama. If the cells weren't clear, there wouldn't be hundreds of youtube videos about them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_8C4ft0IXI

The cars DO make hydrogen, and that's enough for many people to declare success. Many just can't grasp that you can't make "free" hydrogen.

Lots of mileage claims, but the only reputable mileage calculations I've read show either NO benefit or a small decrease in mileage.

Some well-meaning people insist they are seeing a 10-20% increase. I don't doubt that they are getting the increase, but speculate there's a degree of placebo involved. I could get a 15% mileage increase tomorrow if I WANTED one, I'd just need to drive a bit differently. I think if someone spent 1k on one of these, they'd subconsciously drive a little differently to prove the value of their efforts

Originally Posted by Moses

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"a generating device that "once up to speed" is partially run by Kinetic energy, the generator puts out 80% more power than is required to run the permanent magnet motor that actually drives the gen. shaft. The exess K.W. is sold to the power grid "aka dregulation 1996" and in turn produces revenue. "

[gtc]

Originally Posted by Moses

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Kinetic Energy!

[cgarr]

Towanda's Sister Owlie of
Our Lady of Perpetual Motion
and patron of the Chat Room

[jeffgrant]

Originally Posted by Moses

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Faith.

[sammyg2]

A guy I work with spent $50 on plans to convert his engine to run on water. On the internets.

I gave him a whoooole bunch of crap about it and challenged him to prove me wrong. He kept saying that I would have to eat my words soon.

That was about 2 months ago and now he won't talk about it. I bring it up and ask how it turned out, he refuses to talk. he just clams up. maybe he discovered the secret to free energy and doesn't want to tell anyone?