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Great post of links!
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Thanks for all the links !!!!!
These will definately come in handy as I have just started a job search.
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Great thread - thanks!
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Jeremy, before I read all those links, which I can't do on my work computer, can you give some advice on how to find a good headhunter?
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Ask the same questions that you would ask an employer. You want to find someone who will work hard on your behalf, that listens to what your goals and aspirations are and applies them. Some headhunters are just in it for the one time fee - some are in it for the long term, repeat business. IMHO, the long term repeat business folks are the only ones that will survive. Ask em if they still keep in touch with their placements. Ask em if they have a 90 day follow up on employees and employers. The smart ones will do both. Ask em what their success rate is after 180 days, 1 year, 2 year? The good ones will know.
I think you will find that some headhunters service specific industries well - those are the ones I would target. You find that information by calling HR at the companies you want to target and find out what agency they use. Then apply to that agency. In this market I think you need a four pronged attack. 1st Prong consists of local resources - craigslist, newspaper, local resources. 2nd Prong consists of networking - both social and business - linked in, facebook, myspace, twitter, etc. many jobs these days are being filled by people someone knows - they don't even get on the radar. 3rd Prong is the Agency end - either temporary or headhunter. Some companies still will use to do the prescreening - it saves them time and money. Again - look at the resources, locally for horizontal markets, nationally for vertical markets 4th Prong is Internet and job resources that I posted above. You feel like a whore, but throw all your information out there. If you don't - you won't be considered - and in this day and age it would sure suck not to be considered because you withheld info.
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While Jeremy and I live and work on different coasts, we think alike. I'm a technical recruiter, in the business for fifteen years and running my own firm for eight. I specialize in startup technology ventures and have always focused on the long term with my customers.
I'd echo Jeremy's sentiments about the four prongs. If I had to recommend to a family member or close friend how they should prioritize, it would be to explore with every personal contact. A lot of risk is removed when you go back to work for or with previous contacts. It is the # 1 way to get hired in today's market. LinkedIn is extremely powerful in finding old colleagues and friends. I lost a candidate to multiple offers last week, so things are moving, though he was highly specialized and pretty exceptional. Doug
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More resources for the career seeker. And Doug if this commercial staffing gig doesn't work out - I'll be hitting up up to open an east coast operation...
 FlipDog.com - Aggregates job listings from several sites and then allows you to browse and search by category, location, industry and more. GetTheJob.com - Aggregates job listings from company job boards. Many of the listings never make it to standard job sites. Indeed - Searches numerous job sites, newspapers, associations and company career pages to provide nearly a million job listings in one location. Jobster.com - Allows you to post your resume, search numerous listings and set up job alerts to be delivered to your email. LinkUp.com - As opposed to other job aggregating sites, LinkUp monitors the job pages of company websites and gets their listings directly from the sources. SimplyHired.com - Search millions of jobs by keywords or location, or for the brave you can just browse by industry. WorkTree.com - Job search engine that aggregates job listings from numerous sources all in one search.
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I've heard some good things about:
www.theladders.com It is primarily geared for executives and higher end tech workers. Take warning, however, they will hit up job seekers with a $700 resume revamp. While the one I saw was nicely done, it was not worth $700 in my opinion. Doug
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For that matter, a good friend paid a pro resume writer $600 to redo his and I really think he got screwed. If I didn't know the guy and hadn't worked with him, I'd have gotten zero idea whatsoever what he really did in his previous job. He was a wholesale account rep. for GE's subprime mortgage division, which I know is not real popular these days. But that's what he did and he was very successful at it. I had no idea of that from reading his revamped resume. But then my phone ain't exactly ringing off the hook right now and I've gotten serious about a new job search in the last few days.
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Does anyone know if "theLadder" is a good site?
Does it provide a decent amount of executive level jobs? engineering jobs, etc... Does anyone know if it carries jobs that are >150K, >200K?? 
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The Ladders is sort of hit or miss - part aggregator site
Worth the $35.00 monthly for a few months - you'll get a feel for what's out there and if it's worth it to continue... Definitely worth it when the economy improves - put a detailed resume out there and see who contacts you with the $$$$$ offer. If your employer asks - hey you did it when the economy was down and you were worried about your job and forgot to take it down... Twenty job-search gaffes to avoid As hard up as employers are for talent, the crowded job market still puts employers in the mode of screening resumes and cover letters at a glance, and that means no room for error on a job-seeker's part. In the interview process, it's the same way; small missteps can make the difference between an offer and a cursory "thanks anyway" email message or a postcard in the mail. (And sometimes, not even that.) Some of these twenty job-search "Don'ts" are pretty obvious and others aren't; any of them could trip you up if you're not careful. Here goes: 1. Don't send a resume via email with a note that says "My resume is enclosed" (and nothing else). Gotta spend those extra calories and keystrokes writing something resembling a cover letter. The "resume enclosed" bit is a straight shot to the No Thanks bin. 2. When you send your resume via email or upload it into an online job-application form, label the document carefully. Don't label it KikiRox*****ez.doc or ArielsResumeonMomsPC.doc. Label the thing with your first name and last name in the most boring way possible, like JackSpratResume.doc. 3. When you send your resume via email, the email message accompanying your resume is your cover letter. Don't include a separate cover letter attachment - that's a waste of everyone's time. 4. When you supply references to a prospective employer, make them all professional references unless you've been asked to include a personal one (or unless you're fresh out of college). If you include a personal reference, mark it that way, and clearly. The reference-checker doesn't want to ring up Mrs. Jones and say "So, Mrs. Jones, can you please tell me when you worked with Jennifer?" and get the answer "I'm Jennifer's boyfriend's mom." 5. If you have a conflict coming up fast - for instance, a five-day vacation within a few weeks, or an ongoing obligation (a not-for-profit Board meeting every Thursday at nine for the foreseeable future, e.g.) bring it up earlier rather than later in the interview process. Don't wait until you get the job offer to say "There's just one thing..." Employers feel bushwhacked when candidates do that. Get the issue out on the table and get it resolved between the first and second interviews, at the latest. 6. Don't send a resume and cover letter from an email address that isn't clearly you, as evidenced by your first and last names in the email address. CowboyDave@hotmail.com is not a suitable job-search email address. Add a middle initial if you need to in order to get your own name in an email address, a la george.r.smith@gmail.com. 7. Bring your resume to a face-to-face interview. No exceptions. 8. Have interview questions ready - it looks bad for you not to have any pithy questions to ask, and I'm not talking about benefits-and-policies-type questions, but substantive questions about the role and the employer's business. 9. Don't list the roster of jobs you'd be suitable for, in your resume. The idea today is that every resume can and should be customized as needed for any job we feel like applying for. So a resume that says "I'm seeking a Project Manager, Product Manager or Marketing job" looks awful, because it shows that you couldn't take three seconds to customize your resume for this job - the one you're applying for today. 10. Don't list your references right on your resume, a la "Karen Smith, Marketing Manager, Acme Foods" with a phone number. Holy Invasion of Privacy, Batman! Shows bad judgment to toss perfectly innocent reference-givers' names and phone numbers around the job market. Wait until you're asked for references, and then provide them on paper or via email to the requester. 11. Make sure your outgoing voicemail message doesn't make you sound like a party animal. If you sometimes use your outgoing message to give friends a heads-up as to your whereabout ("If this is Chaz, we're headed over to the Foundry, meet us there") don't do it during your job search. 12. Yes, we can get into your Facebook profile page if we want to, and seventy-some percent of employers do it, so don't leave your bikini/beer/bong photos up there while you're job-hunting. Or afterward. 13. Don't use a weird font in your resume that will show up as musical notes on someone else's monitor. Use a plain-vanilla font like Arial (11 pt.) that any computer can read. 14. If you're responding to an email address, check the email address to see if it looks like a person's name. If the email address is a person's name, don't address your cover letter "Dear HIring Manager" or (gack!) "To Whom it May Concern." If the email address is amy.jenkins@acmeproducts.com, begin your letter "Dear Amy" or "Dear Ms. Jenkins." 15. Don't, don't, don't send an email message that says "To learn more about me, click here" with your blog or personal website url. That is ultra-tacky and so 1997. Write a proper cover letter, instead. 16. Be personable and conversational in your letter, but don't be cutesy. "Stop! your search for the perfect candidate is over" was trite in 1990 ( I confess I'd been screening resumes for awhile, even then). Resist the temptation. 17. Don't say in your letter "I am perfect for the job" and then leave us wondering "Why?" Be specific. If you've had experience in similar jobs, spell it out. Screeners want to see your mind working, not boilerplate platitudes like "The job sounds exciting." Which aspect of it sounds exciting? We want to know. 18. Don't provide reference-givers who aren't reachable or won't remember you. (It happens, shockingly often.) Check in with your references every single time you hand out their names and contact info. 19. Outlook has a spell check function. Hit F7 to check it out. If you don't want to use the spell check in Outlook, compose your email message in Word and spell-check it there. Misspellings and typos are going to happen, but more than one or two will get you tossed out of the selection process. 20. Don't say anything bad about a former employer at any point in the selection process, and don't take it for granted that you'll be able to avoid doing that if you're not focused on it. Sometimes, in the process of extolling our virtues, we slip into "You should have seen the mess the department was in when I got there," and that sort of thing doesn't sit well with employers (who are likely to be thinking, "Will s/he be talking about me this way, some day in the future?"). Don't, above all, forget to send a post-interview thank-you card or email message. That's a must, even in etiquette-lax 2009. If nothing on our "To Don't" list sounds like you, bravo! You're in great shape to tackle the job market. Go get 'em!
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How can someone who's not one of your friends get into your Facebook profile? I don't doubt it's easy to hack. But do prospective employers go through this trouble? I don't have anything on my Facebook page that would be remotely distasteful to a prospective employer. But I also don't have anything on there business-related. It's strictly for keeping in touch with far-flung friends. I think, at worst, a prosp. employer would see that I have some exciting hobbies and travel experiences.
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Depends on what your "public profile" looks like. I kid you not - I was in the process of hiring a manager a few years ago - interviewing a pretty straight acting, clean cut guy - googled him - his myspace account came up - in his profile picture was him in a uniform and swastika in the background. I passed.
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Well, that leads me to another issue. Around 2000 I was selling DSL and got handed a very irate, a$shole of a customer, who I don't even think was a customer at the time. He was the kind of person no one would think it worthwhile to deal with, even if he had been a customer. And my boss told me to get rid of him. He posted some of our email exchange to a review site that still comes up when I Google my name. Now, it was a long time ago and turning angry customers into happy ones is something I'm pretty good at in my job. But this guy was just a prick. There are a few other folks with my name who come up in a Google search, but this bad one has my company name on it and it's on my resume too. So it wouldn't be hard to match the two. I guess there's no way of getting that pulled, is there?
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Not much you can do Rick - be prepared to address it if it comes up
another resource http://www.careervoyages.gov/
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I googled "rick lee" and DSL and 602 links came up. Didn't immediately find the one you mentioned. I also googled "Rick Lee" and just 141k show up. I wouldn't worry too much. I would tone down your impression of the customer in *every* one of your posts about this topic. All of this is public domain and just might come up first due to the date. Just be prepared to professionally address it. I do not think somone can review your facebook account without your offering access. Myspace is another story. Doug
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Ha! Rick Lee is not my real name. My real name is one of the most uncommon surnames in the U.S.
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If you are worried about it, can you use Richard on the resume? When you meet someone you explain you go by Rick? If someone is really diligent, they'll find out, but given the timing and what not, I doubt it is an issue. I usually google every candidate in addition to applying many other levels of diligence. I once found a candidate who was an electrical engineer working for a defense contractor who had a craigslist ad going where he'd trade tattooing services for pot. His personal email was all I used to search. I would have assumed he's squeeky clean, but you know what is said about assumptions. Crazy. Doug
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