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oh and BOB, where did you get that rack holding the Teac R2R? I do multitrack recording with 4 and 8 track machines as well as the R2R when its working and that rack setup is just prefect! I must have one of those
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srandallf,
You have a nice system..do your neighbors like you living in a condo next to them?:) For the recording equipment, I made it..Thanks! Actually the bottom rack was purchased and modified. I did the steel work and bracket fabrication and the overall design. The Mackey board was purchased from Guitar Center and the reel to reel (ebay) The machine is actually A-3340. I realized I needed a better machine to record my son and have realized they sound really good too. I bought some tape from a guy on ebay and some of it was professionally prerecorded with some wonderful piano concertos live from the Hollywood Bowl in the 1980s. Very nice dinner music when the in laws come over. I'm happy with the system although I'm going to remove the Denon cassette and disk burner and a few other things from my main rack. I'm still developing the system and what I want. I will look into a better quality CD player because I have so many CD's. Thanks for the compliment Bob |
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And for the record, I don't own a really decent system anymore. I maxxed out as an audiophile in the late 80s. I am either burnt out or spoiled. Since I play with & sell some of the best of the best on a regular basis, when I get home I listen on my computer system. Wavs though, never MP3s. Pitiful, I know. Ian |
wow. nice skills Bob!!
i meant i have the teac 3340, but not the "A" model as for the neighbors, they have left me a few notes :p listening space a few years back http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1239806898.jpg |
Wow, cant believe you still have a Discwasher kit. I havent seen one of those in years!:D
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In my opinion, sometimes vinyl wins sometimes it loses.
I own an old TD124 MkII (Thorens), a new Clearaudio Ambient (with Sumiko Blackbird), a VIP record cleaning machine and a Shanling SCDT200 as input devices and never gave up on vinyl (almost 1000 albums I think). When vinyl wins: Tracy Nelson/Tracy Nelson- "Down So Low" could never sound as real on a CD IMO- I don't even think it's available on CD. Beach Boys/Pet Sounds- CDs just can't seem to equal the lush, warm harmonies of the album. Any early Rolling Stones- whoever mixed them for CDs must have been deaf. When Vinyl loses: Flim & the BBs/Tricycle- digitially recorded to a very high standard (and probably not available on vinyl) the album blends both warmth and an incredible dynamic range I don't think any album could match. Virtually any Telarc CD- But try Aaron Copland's "Fanfare for the Common Man". again dynamic range wins. Some (but not all) of the Master Recording CDs (mixed at half speed). Jethro Tull's "Stand Up" is better on CD than vinyl. But they couldn't reproduce the album cover that "stands up" when you open it. BTW my CD/SACD player can play through tubes. My amplifier (an MC602) is solid state. And these are just my opinions based on my ear listening through my equipment. |
srandallf,
I like that Guards red TV. It would look nice on my guards red roll away next to my guards red 930..:D Ha! Anyway- what happened to your Teac? theres a guy on ebay that specializes in Teac machines and has every part you would need to fix it. He can fix it. I bought belts and maintenance info from him.. Nice guy and on the up&up! The Teacman.... |
Wow! Dawg, that is some nice stuff.
I grew up with vinyl, own a few hundred platters still, but haven't played them since my table broke 10 years ago. Vinyl's biggest drawback is it's a loss type medium. Material and information is removed every time it's played. Technically, vinyl is only 100% the very first time it is played. I think the electronics make up most of the sounds. "Warm" vinyl and "bright" CD's seem a logical comparison, but put vinyl though some Klipsch horns and suddenly that's bright too. Besides, bright is not necessarily a bad term. If it's warm, it could be muddy. If it's clarity you're seeking, than a little bright is right. ;) |
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Cairns,
lets be fair, Aaron Copeland has been dead for many years.. I think? He was old when I was a kid in the 60's and all of his pieces were recorded on magnetic tape. I.e. Appalachian Spring... I have many of his CDs and my father probably has all of his vinyl. They do have a great sound quality. Have you ever played a CD and Vinyl at the same time to compare? I have a new Steely Dan "Gaucho" on vinyl and the CD I bought years ago. Listen to the song "My Rival" Vinyl will take it hand down..IMHO! I have a Robin Trower album in vinyl and CD. The CD sounds better?. But frankly the CD sucks too. I think it is a precisely because of a poor quality recording and pressing though. I still believe all thing being equal..I will go with the vinyl! Have you ever purchased a a very poor quality recording on CD/Vinyl. You wonder how it got as far as it did, without a quality backlash! Bob |
Dawg,
The recording I have for Aaron is on Telarc and was digitally recorded. I forget which orchestra but can look it up. I have an old (Capitol I think) album of the same (but different orchestra) which doesn't sound near as nice. I have some pretty bad CDs- bargain basement buys where I took a chance. But by far the worst is a Marvin Gaye greatest hits I got at Price Club. Absolutely unbearable!! I think you have to look at individual recordings and particular equipment and not just say one is superior to the other. I love the "art" of vinyl- the whole idea that a medium that old can sound that fantastic and that you go through this process to play the record- just something about it. I also like the album covers themselves- I recently bought a Rolling Stones Satanic Majesties Request mint for $50- just to have the album cover in pristine condition (I never really thought much of the music itself). Then there is a huge amount of material you can get on albums that never made it to CDs. I can spend hours in used record stores..... |
cairns,
Last year before I was reintroduced to vinyl, I was in Seattle on biz and over a weekend, I stopped at a local thrift store because I really didn't have much to do. I noticed in the back of the store was some 5000+ vinyl records. I looked through them and it appeared that there was popular rock, jazz, classical and country vinyl records priced for 25 cents. I thought, wow if these were only CD's. I pulled some from there jackets and they were pristine! Too Bad I didn't appreciate them at the time. I would have bought 100s and sent them back home to L.A. I went to a couple of local thrift shops in my area and found a few good ones for a buck a piece. Some unopened after all these years. The workers at the stores have mentioned that vinyl doesn't last long anymore because they are getting popular. You are absolutely right about another contemporary conductor recording Copeland on a digital recording. I guess I had a serious brain F-rt:confused:. makes sense! Recording Wagner when Wagner was around would have been difficult, especially Mozart 200 years ago...what was I thinking..Ha!:) Forgive me... Bob |
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i still have my Discwasher Kit too....but i dont have the static gun unfortunately. been using my brush every day since i was 14 and it looks like new
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It's not just CDs, it's all music. Compression is used to make everything the same level whether it's on CD or Vinyl. Most of the music that use this technique is club music or already loud rock music. People want a consistent level, unlike a lot of more spatial songs. Ask Gogar, he knows what's up.
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The other fly in the ointment is that two separate issues are often conflated - and the evidence of that is posted numerous times above. There are two sources of "effed-up" low-fi sound: 1. the way it was originally recorded/mastered/pressed, etc. for delivery to the consumer and... 2. the equipment used by said consumer to retrieve the info on whatever recording medium is involved, and then turn that into pressure waves in the air for the ear to hear. Be careful not to confuse the two and you will hear better sound and save a lot of money... |
for good not too many $$ CD players, I will add to the above:
a used Cal Audio (if you can find one - co. ois out of biz, too bad) and high end Sony ES stuff - not sure if still made as I have been using my Cal Audio for many years. I also agree re tubes - the "cheap" way to get a "mellower" sound (I do not claim it is more "accurate," only that it sounds real good") is to get a quality tube pre-amp and a transistor amp. I have Sonic Frontiers - good quality rel to cost. There are other brands at other price points... And to follow up on the blast from the past Phase Linear post, I have a later design amp from the same genius, Bob Carver -- a transistor amp by Sunfire. It all "motorvates" the air by way of a pair of Magneplanar speakers - which I finally decided should replace my Vandersteens after having both side by side for 2 years - yeh, it was that hard to decide. This system was built up with 2 ideas in mind: 1. Stay well clear of the "bleeding edge." 2. It is all about compressing air into waves. After that, it is up to the basal window, the FFT decoder in the basilar membrane and all their buddies... |
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Evidently, discwashers still available...I'm still using my 1970's discwasher...I bought the big jug of fluid back then.
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The problem is, they can be quite expensive. I think I paid almost $30 for Andrew Bird. But then again, the new Beck vinyl was about $16, 180 gram and, came with a code for a free MP3 download of the entire record Newly released, newly availabe Neil Young live at Massey Hall is stunning to hear on vinyl http://www.musicdirect.com/product/82574 But yes, even with new vinyl, much of the brand new stuff is re-releases of old stuff.... which i think is great...cause im obsessed with older music and how awsome it is to be able to hear Metallica's first three records on heavy weight 1/2 speed vinyl. :D and Saturday, Jane's Addiction's two best LPs are being released on 180 gram. I cant freakin wait Saturday the 18th is "record store day", btw... so everyone go out and support your local independent music shop :) |
I help but thinking of this character as you lovers of vinyl go on and on:
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heaven :D:cool::D:cool:
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Metalica is on vinyl in "new" condition. I saw that "white covered magnetic lines of flux in iron ore" album.:confused: What ever it is called the other day at BEST BUY! They also have a new Police "LIVE" and Guns and Roses albums too. I also bought a "New" Black Sabbath "Paranoid" album for $12 buck the other day, 180 gram sounds very good. My son likes Tony Iommi the lead guitarist.
I have noticed that my Police CDs and Vinyl sound as good as most of my Steely Dan. Dan was known for there high quality recordings that are evident, detailed and well balanced. The industry used the Aja album as a sound engineers bar Thats why I kind of bench mark the quality as reference material. What tonearm cartridges are you guys using? |
Macho Libre???????
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Metallica is out in heavy weight vinyl, 1/2 speed mastered by Mobile Fidelity in both standard 33 1/3 vinyl and 45RPM- Kill Em All, Master of Puppets and Ride the Lightning |
i just use a Grado black. My TT probably deserves slightly better, but frankly, I dont think its work spending $800 on a cartridge for it , and set up right, the Grado sounds very nice
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Obviously, we must at least be entertaining because you keep replying:D Actually were are really not strange guys, just like good music, except country and enjoy tinkering. Those Greek bastuds:) in the film earlier were some of the people Freud was analyzing in his memoirs. I could see some poop an a piece of vinyl and them all going into cardiac arrest... I did like the look on some of those womans faces when the hubby's came clean about how many euros they spent. It was obvious a few had not realized the "Obsession":p:p:p I dont think my lovely wife has a clue how much my equipment cost or how much has gone into hi performance turbo charging! I hope she doesnt read these posts...:( |
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Ian,
Whatta ya think of the Shure V-15 type III and V. I know you like this stuff because you know what your talking about....;) Its not hard to figure out if a guy likes airplanes when he can tell you about every type at an airport.... Right? |
For me its called "High Compliance" 30 CU or more! Did the math....
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Shure has always built good cartridges but never great ones. Joe Grado built many great ones. I sold them in the early 80s. I don't know the current lineup now that his son runs the business. The last cartridge I owned was a Koetsu Black. But that was on a Syrinx PU3 tonearm & later on an Rega RB300 many, many years ago that I had on a Linn TT. I honestly have been out of the analogue loop for so long I am a dinosaur but 'in the day' I always preferred moving coils.
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I got thinking about nostalgia as mentioned above. The 1980s were the peak of the ‘stereo’. It was a really fun time to be in the business. Sex, drugs & rock ‘n roll. I was married so only 2 out of 3 for me. The arrival of CD created a huge boom in hifi – speakers, amps, cables etc. It even helped to sell an amazing amount of vinyl gear but mainly at the upper end. People were buying their last turntable. It was fun selling hi-end hifi because a lot of people really loved music & a lot of money poured in. At one point I was selling SME (the V), Koetsu, Sumiko, MIT & QUAD. All at the top of their game.
The 90s brought the curse of home theater & custom install. The video side ate up the budget leaving a pittance for audio. So many people bought great video setups with truly lousy hifi. Similar in the custom install business, where distribution amps & control & programming the control were 90% of the budget. POS inwall & in-ceiling sales soared. The explosion of MP3s & iPods ensured that the up & coming generation knows absolutely nothing about good sound, as well as sticking a big cold knife into those producing & distributing it i.e. the record companies. Am I nostalgic for the good ole days? Yeah, a bit . . . Ian |
we used to have quite a few hi-fi shops here. we have 2 left, and i am surprised they even exist. one of them, deals only in hi-end analog gear and nothing else. how they survive, i have no idea.
the niche for this gear is so incredibly small i dont understand how they pay the rent. not only must a person have an interest, but they must also have money. the analog only shop in my town, wouldnt dare sell a Rega P3. Their turntables start at about $5,000 without the arm and cart.... who in hell buys this stuff? i surely cant afford it, though i desire it very much EDIT: there must be alot of orthopaedic surgeons that love to listen to vinyl in my town :-) |
Where in NY? I probably know the dealers. Turntable sales for dealers are pretty slim unless they really focus on it & have a big enough market & even then . . . the used market sucks much of the new business away.
We sell Rega in Canada but I have no involvement with it since I work south of the border & there is a different US distributor. Roy G. from Rega is a class act. He beat me by one shot in a skeet shooting contest during a dealer trip in '82 but still insisted on giving me the prize (that he had bought). And he had caterers provide a seafood feast in a rathole garage at the range. I have never seen a mountain of prawns like that before or after. Ian |
across the lake from you. the two shops we have do deal in Rega. one shop always has lower end Rega tables in stock and they seem to stay in business with custom installations. the other shop is more high end tables. dont think i have ever seen a lower end Rega there, though obviously they can get you one. they do have the higher end Regas, along with Linn etc... very very nice stuff. but i cant understand who is buying it in such a small town
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Yes, I knew/know some dealers there, but I haven't been in 9 years or so since one of my cohorts lives 'there' & does Upstate New York. Every time I drive 'there', something happens to my car. I left my lights on once in a dealer's parking lot (I forget who but they were making Merlin speakers in the basement) & killed the battery. Another time I locked my keys in the trunk at a hotel.
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From my older database . . . how many still exist?
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1239844401.jpg Ian |
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