Pricing a 1970 Chevelle. Need help

[songhoh]

I bought and old Chevelle and did this to it:





She's pretty quick.

My advice.... it's priced right and I don't think you'll lose anything.

[Oh Haha]

songhoh

That is killer!!

I like the way you kept it stock appearing but with some subtle changes. I;m sick of Foosed out muscle cars.

[pwd72s]

I agree, a beautifully done '65. Love the steelies with the small hubcaps, it's just "right" on that car. I prefer the cleaner lines of the '64-'65 GM cars...just a taste thing, but the '66's and up not as "clean" to my eye.

IF I were into projects...and I'm not, I think I'd be hunting for a '64 Chevelle 2 door wagon...kind of a mini Nomad look with it's sliding rear side windows...

[TerryH]

Originally Posted by songhoh

I bought and old Chevelle and did this to it:

She's pretty quick.

My advice.... it's priced right and I don't think you'll lose anything.

That's a real beaut!

[tchanson]

Originally Posted by songhoh

I bought and old Chevelle and did this to it:

That's a good looking Chevelle.

What's the color? Looks very close to the Nassau Blue on my Dad's '66 Corvette when I was a kid.






Tim

[Hugh R]

Originally Posted by TerryH

Olds Gutless? Come on man, you're not that old. lol

If it aint a 442, it's your father's Oldsmobile. No one shops for an old Cutlass unless you owned one in a previous life.

Same suspension, gutless, even after a complete rebuild. Same with steering, vague, even with suspension upgrades. My son and I went through his 70 cutlass and changed virtually all steering and suspension with the "new and improve" stuff and it still sucked. All 442 means is four barrel, four speed and dual exhaust (442), a formidable car, but still a 350 IIRC.

I think he's looking at a "Chevelle" not a "Chevelle SS 396" which is a very different animal.

BTW, I'd look very, very closely at the vinyl roof. Most these days have lots and lots of rust.

[speeder]

Just as a reference point to how much things have changed, back in '93-'94 I had the almost identical car w/o the vinyl top. Same color, extremely low miles, genuine one-owner who was a little old lady by the time I bought it, bone stock. 307/TH350 trans, cold A/C, showroom fresh interior. Drove like a new car. Took it up to Seattle and VC from L.A. in spring of '94 and have some great pics under the giant redwoods that I should scan.

Paid $1100 for it. Granted it was a 307 but it had rally wheels and was a sharp 2-door. When I sold it in '94, Chevelles were heating-up, unbeknownst to me. I put it in the recycler, (pre-internet for me), for $1700 and I got ~200 phone calls the first day. Realising my folly, I pulled it from the market to re-evaluate. I'd obviously under-priced it by a hair.

Wound up selling it to a guy I knew who was a Chevy freak for $2500 and he turned it into a high-dollar muscle car w/ a rat motor and everything beefed-up or replaced. I really miss that car the way it was when I had it. It was an awesome "driver".

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by Hugh R

You can buy an Olds Cutlass, which is basically the same car for 1/2 that in the same condition. You pay a premium for that "Chevelle" name.

the Cutlass will have a better suspension and nicer interior generally too

my buddy has a 455 with the great big snorkles on the hood, kind of a scary car, makes a great noise, but that much torque, with such dinky little front disc/rear drum brakes

[MMARSH]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

Looks great, not too sure about the pontiac rims though.

Obviously it's a crate motor right?

BTW, i like the vinyl top.

Those are not the Pontiac Rally II Wheels. Those were an available chevy wheel.

[MMARSH]

Thats a nice looking car. Probably a real nice driver. From the pictures 14K doesnt seem like it's to far off.

[MMARSH]

Originally Posted by Hugh R

Same suspension, gutless, even after a complete rebuild. Same with steering, vague, even with suspension upgrades. My son and I went through his 70 cutlass and changed virtually all steering and suspension with the "new and improve" stuff and it still sucked. All 442 means is four barrel, four speed and dual exhaust (442), a formidable car, but still a 350 IIRC.

I think he's looking at a "Chevelle" not a "Chevelle SS 396" which is a very different animal.

BTW, I'd look very, very closely at the vinyl roof. Most these days have lots and lots of rust.

Plenty of 442 were sold with Automatics. Probably more then with 4 speeds, they came standard with the Turbo-Hydramatics after about 65 or 66. They later 442's had 400 ci motors and 455's in 1970. THe really hot package was the W30 package cars. Those cars ran pretty hard.

[speeder]

4-4-2 stood for 400 c.i., 4-barrel carb and dual exhaust. I have the old magazine collection with the ads to prove it. There was always a lot of confusion about that nomenclature, even back in the day, but they were always available w/ automatics so *4-speed* was not part of the name.

Always had a soft spot for Oldsmobiles and had friends with beautiful '67 and '68 442s. The '67 was a built street racer in black and the '68 was a bone-stock metallic blue w/ black vinyl top, automatic on floor, (beautiful factory console/shifter), and highway gears in rear end. What a beauty w/ those oval rear 1/4 windows and dual exhaust. sigh.....

[HardDrive]

Spent many summer nights driving the back roads of Michigan in a 442 convertable.

[speeder]

The sound of their stock dual exhaust was just sublime. Oldsmobiles always had a little rumple to them, like headers with mufflers.

[on2wheels52]

In '70 I thought of muscle cars as 444's
400hp/4sp/$4000
Jim

[TerryH]

Originally Posted by speeder

4-4-2 stood for 400 c.i., 4-barrel carb and dual exhaust. I have the old magazine collection with the ads to prove it. There was always a lot of confusion about that nomenclature, even back in the day, but they were always available w/ automatics so *4-speed* was not part of the name.

Always had a soft spot for Oldsmobiles and had friends with beautiful '67 and '68 442s. The '67 was a built street racer in black and the '68 was a bone-stock metallic blue w/ black vinyl top, automatic on floor, (beautiful factory console/shifter), and highway gears in rear end. What a beauty w/ those oval rear 1/4 windows and dual exhaust. sigh.....

According to some respected sources, the meaning of 4-4-2 changed over the years as different options became available. The 400ci - 4bbl - 2 exh was the combination most of us relate to when talking performance driven 442's.

Definition of 4-4-2 from the Oldsmobile Factory Literature:
1964 (Original meaning)
4: Four Barrel Carburetion
4: Four On the Floor
2: Dual Exhausts

1965 (First year of automatic transmission option on 442)
4: 400 Cubic Inch Displacement
4: Four Barrel Carburetion
2: Dual Exhausts


1985 to 1987 (Last of RWD 442s)
4: Four speed automatic
4: Four barrel carburetor
2: Dual exhaust


1990 and 1991 (FWD 442)
4: Four cylinders
4: Four valves
2: Two camshafts

[masraum]

Originally Posted by TerryH

1985 to 1987 (Last of RWD 442s)
4: Four speed automatic
4: Four barrel carburetor
2: Dual exhaust


1990 and 1991 (FWD 442)
4: Four cylinders
4: Four valves
2: Two camshafts

These last two make me want to cry.

It's kind of like reviving the Malibu and Nova names and putting them on crappy FWD econoboxes. Blech!

[HardDrive]

Originally Posted by masraum

These last two make me want to cry.

It's kind of like reviving the Malibu and Nova names and putting them on crappy FWD econoboxes. Blech!

At some point in the 80s, my grandfather got it in his head to purchase a new car. He had a beautiful 1968 Buick Le Sabre. He went down to the dealership and purchased a Buick Somerset. This was around the time GM was trumpeting their Quad 4 engine (Horray! We can make a 4 cylinder engine....just like the Japanese did 15 years before.) That Somerset was the biggest piece of garbage we had ever seen. There was this odd 'tower' that stuck up from the center console that had the radio controls on it. The plastic was so poorly molded that it barely fit together. The anemic 4 cylinder engine would scream trying to pull the car along.

The only upside in this whole story is that I got the 68 Le Sabre. The original 2brl had been replaced with a 4brl, and the car went like stink!

[asphaltgambler]

350/350 = engine CI / transmission model

[Heel n Toe]

Originally Posted by asphaltgambler

350/350 = engine CI / transmission model

But, haven't we all seen the 327/360 designation? I think that was a 'Vette engine, but some guys rebuilt the 327's in their Impalas, Novas, Camaros, etc. to that spec.

I guess it should be shown with an "HP" after the second number...



1965 327/375 hp (5.4 L/280 kW) Fuel Injected Corvette Sting Ray Roadster

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Corvette