Lost s05e16/17

Pazuzu · 05-13-2009, 08:45 AM

Anyone? What amazing/strange/unknown thing will be learn during this finale? New characters appearing, old ones coming back? Will Walt show up?
How many timelines will remain at the closing scene?

rattlsnak · rattlsnak's Garage

watching it now.. great so far....

carambola · carambola's Garage

I Love This Show

dtw · 05-13-2009, 07:08 PM

Ugggghhhh....this POS show is X-Files meets Survivor.

Gonna be a long wait till s06.

ramonesfreak · ramonesfreak's Garage

interesting ending. i must admit, im lost. cant figure it out

VaSteve · 05-13-2009, 07:27 PM

I called what was in the box early on...maybe in one of the other threads. It seems to be one battle after another for control of that island. Who was the other guy at the beginning? Clarly that was him at the end in a different body.

Pazuzu · 05-13-2009, 08:03 PM

Those jerk writers basically took ALL of my pet theories and burned them alive.

IROC · IROC's Garage

So the pirate ship at the beginning was the Black Rock?

Pazuzu · 05-14-2009, 08:34 AM

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So the pirate ship at the beginning was the Black Rock?

Yes.

It appears Jacob brings people to the Island...possibly social experimentation, creating perfect cultures? Maybe creating an Eden of people worshiping him? I would bet (as has been postulated) that Richard Alpert is from the Black Rock, and was one of Jacob's first confidants.

ramonesfreak · ramonesfreak's Garage

so whats with all the egyptian stuff?

does the next season begin next year or do we have to wait 2 years again?

Pazuzu · 05-14-2009, 08:46 AM

Next February. So, 8 months.

We don't know the source of the Egyptian motifs yet...but Jacob's tapestry was Egyptian themed with Greek lettering. I think that one of the really big questions now is, how old is Jacob, vs the Island, the Statue and the Temple/Tunnels.

And, of course...is the man in the opening scene the Smoke Monster

ramonesfreak · ramonesfreak's Garage

why couldnt the man with jacob at the beginning kill jacob? jacob says if you ever find a loophole you know where to find me

then when john, ben and jacob are in jacob's house, jacob says, looks like you found your loophole....ben says, you guys have met before?

so....why would the guy be the smoke monster? why couldnt he kill jacob, especially if he was the smoke monster? why did he want to kill him?

regarding Ben, my feeling for some time has been that Ben actually represents good, not evil. My opinion was firmed up last night after seeing how evil jacob really is

regarding juliet falling down the tunnel and living, HOW STUPID

Pazuzu · 05-14-2009, 09:07 AM

Jacob and the Man had some level of truce...who knows (yet) why the Man couldn't kill Jacob. However, he could have the hand of another kill Jacob (that was the loophole). It took him 200+ years to achieve that goal. It seems to me that they have been playing a game of chess for the past 50 or so years, using the Others and the Dharma Initiative and the Losties as pawns, leading up to the point when he could get a man with a knife into Jacob's chamber. It was only when the syncronicity of having access to the image of the Leader of the Others (Locke), and an emotionally broken Ben, and a faithful Richard that allowed him to walk into the chamber and demand that Ben kill Jacob.

Jacob and the Man have fought for control of the Island...in my mind, since Jacob arrived (I believe the Man is native, truely native, and possibly old Smokey). Jacob brings people to the Island, making cultures, while the Man tries to drive them away.

As long as they keep this God war on the Island next season, I'll be happy. I don't want this to turn into to worldwide apocalyptic story, because that just doesn't seem right. Let it play out as the chess game between two ancient forces on this isolated battlefield, with the strange and unexpected aspect of human freewill interfering with the rules, and I'll appreciate the story wherever it goes.

Hugh R · 05-14-2009, 09:45 AM

Sorry, if I told you, I'd have to fire myself, if my boss didn't fire me first!

rattlsnak · rattlsnak's Garage

Seems like Jacob represents good and Locke represents evil. (the 'new' locke that is) Classic story of good vs evil. Unable to kill each other as in God/Satan type thing. Richard goes back a long way, before black rock, as he spoke Latin to the girl at the end, like they new each other from many hundreds/thousands of years ago. So the story of the girl being a bounty hunter was bogus. She was sent by Jacob to get Sayid on that plane. But why does Jacob want everyone to return to the island? To save him? or help them in some way? He basically visited every one of them at one point in their lives long before they got on the plane. So why did he pick those people?

ramonesfreak · ramonesfreak's Garage

how can jacob be "good" given what he did, knowingly, to syid..that is, set in motion a situation that he somehow foresaw ending in sayid's wife's death? is that not evil?

richard is passive. neutral. neither good nor evil. a servant. a mediator. always has been

ben has been a loyal servant, he saved a baby, lost his daughter, did everything he did that was apparently bad, out of justifiable revenge or loyalty to some higher being he believed in

rattlsnak · rattlsnak's Garage

jacob did good by saving sayid from getting hit also. he saved locke also after he fell, bought the lunch box for Kate, etc. he has done nothing but good. Everything ben did was to protect the island even if that meant hurting someone else. But why did he 'choose" these people?

everybody keeps talking about the good guys vs the bad guys. Its good vs evil.

Pazuzu · 05-14-2009, 07:28 PM

Was Ben vs Whitmore good vs evil? They couldn't kill each other either, but they could hurt each other (attacking each other's children).

No, this isn't good vs evil, it's white vs black. We've seen white vs black numerous times in the last 5 seasons. It's a game of chess.

Jacob is bring people to the Island to show that they can exist in Eden in a happy society. Nemesis thinks they always fight and kill and die. He's winning that bet so far. Jacob has handpicked a group this time around ("They're coming") and thinks that he will finally win this game. The Losties are his ace in the hole, and Hurley is his paladin.

They're both using people as pawns in their study. There are rules to being rivals (rules that humans seem to have forgotten). When you're playing chess, and you're loosing, you do not pull a gun and shoot your rival...that's against the rules.

When you study fruit flies and their lifecycles, are you being Good or Evil?

Pazuzu · 05-14-2009, 07:29 PM

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Sorry, if I told you, I'd have to fire myself, if my boss didn't fire me first!

Oh, did I happen to mention to you that you're a BASTARD??

cwiert · cwiert's Garage

Was on vacation last week... just watched the finale last night (TiVo). Do you think the statue was broken by the nuke that Juliet detonated?

Speaking of the statue... the character was carrying an Ankh in each hand... an egyptian symbol meaning "eternal life." Interesting.

I can't wait to see how they explain the explosion next season, they blew up a nuke for gods sake. How did any of them (in the 1970s) survive?