not a shiny gun picture

[charleskieffner]

above is fed 00-9 pellets. here is post vang slugs and i wasnt happy.

POST VANG VANG SUPER DUPER MONGO IMPROVED SLUG GROUPS WILL BE BETTER!



snicker snicker yuck yuck yuck!

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by nostatic

I don't do bench shooting. To me that becomes more about zeroing the optics. I prefer shooting offhand but I don't get any dime sized groups. With a pistol I'm 1-2" at 7m and with rifle the same at 15m and getting tighter. Just need more practice...

Oh, it's more than zeroing optics...finding the right ammo, reading windage with a slug that light, the list goes on. With shooting sports, it's about what you like. Much like playing with cars... 7m...that's 25 feet?

[slakjaw]

A big part of getting a shot gun to pattern right is in the brand of shells you use. I have a win 1300 and with 3" mags I have to use federal to get a good pattern. A buddy of mine has a newer gun that can take the 3 1/2 inch mags and I have never seen a decent pattern from one of those.

[nostatic]

ok, another night of practice. Boom.

same setup - 5 rounds of #3 at 7m - I'm still pushing a bit right (quarter for reference).




Buckmark, 8 rounds @ 7m offhand. Still not breathing right on all the shots (dime for reference - this is a smaller target than the one above).

[Bill Douglas]

Still talking buckmark - well, browning anyway. My GF came to the range today and had a shoot with the pistol. What a suprise after about 20 major arguments about me buying a pistol and comunicating with you (joke) American gun nuts. I guess she figured out she wasn't going to win, so if you can't beat 'em join 'em. She was actually quite good. 10 shots at 25 meters she got 2 in the 10" black area, 3 on the target, and the other 5... who knows where. She was a bit of a sucess with the guys LOL, they couldn't believe their eyes a nice looking girl sautering in.

[Mo_Gearhead]

As this illustration indicates, sight alignment is critical.



When shooting off-hand, everyone's sight picture will 'drift', it's just natural. You just hold your trigger pressure until the gun moves back onto target (proper sight picture again) then continue to squeeze.

Some shooters sight-in their gun as; point of aim = point of impact. Not recommended. A 'six o'clock' sight picture is best, because it allows one to see the full bullseye/target area.

IE : Zombie approaching; head shot = sights aligned on his chin.
Center of mass = sights aligned just below his breast bone.

If you are a right hander, the slight misses (to the right) on your posted target may find your trigger finger ever-so-slightly dragging on the frame. Keep the finger away from the frame and use only the index finger tip to exert pressure.
New shooters sometimes just hook the first joint around the trigger ...not a good practice.

[charleskieffner]

on your snotgun target w/birdshot and pulling right. your ammo, your trigger pull, your breathing are all suspect. any mass produced 329 $ snotgun is not going to have a national match trigger. bottom of the barrel 870 express trigger group about 5-6# pull on average. police trigger group upgrade about 8-9 # pull. the last thing ya want is a hair trigger on a snotgun.

with any gun of any flavor, working them over and trying different ammo will improve groups. alot if not always getting 200 rds downrange, will improve overall the guns happy factor by allowing machined surfaces to mate and become juan with each other in their lubed environment.

if after 200rds and thangs aint improving, take to smithy and say "whats up with dis"????

remember you are stroking yourself with a smoothbore barrel if ya expect any great groups. reason being forcing cone at receiver end of barrel mashes the hell out of shot as explosion occurs and everytime you light one off, pellets mashed to hell and no telling what group you will shoot.

with a choke system you will get a better pattern. hence the gazzillions of chokes on market.

when you look at vangcomps website at the dea pattern tests............thats the best of the best on the planet for a smoothbore at various yard distances up to 25yds.

now think about this if you were in their shoes. yer a cop, yer a border patrol agent. yer issued a sidearm and a shotgun for patrol. nothing more. your choices for the shotgun ammo are: A) birdshot-not ever B) buckshot-if yer doing searches or room to room searches C) rifled slugs. "C" is the answer. why? because you gain distance and reasonable accuracy. if ya have a rifled slug barrel you can easily hit 200yds with a sabot with very nice groups. with a smoothbore barrel your good to about 100yds with rifled slugs.

now when ya place a rifled slug barrel on snotgun yer limited to rifled slugs and sabots.

with a smoothbore you can shoot birdshot/buckshot/rifled slugs. you may live in a state that only allows hunting with a shotgun. in that case i would go with a rifled slug barrel and sabots and have that 200yd range.

now since i dont have to use a shotgun here in arizona for hunting deer, i'll just use my centerfire rifles for that, and der zombeez snotgun for home defense and bears.

now yer gonna be hard pressed telling da ranger why you shot the bear at 100yds. that aint gonna fly. a 50 yd bear shot and da ranger will question why you thought you were in imminent danger. 25yd bear shot is pushing my buttons because i know how fast they are. so bottomline you need to make a snotgun place ALL OF ITS PELLETS or SLUG for max stopping power in about the size group of a salad plate, from you out to 50yds.

now obvious ya gots to spend some bucks with vang to achieve those groups, but look at it this way.................can ya sleep at night knowing that all of yer 00 buck pellets are NOT hitting the target, be it man or beast???????? can ya sleep at night knowing when ya aim at "X" from 25 yds yer slug aint even in the black rings??????

its YER ASS not mine! i aint gonna be bear poo poo!

custom guns are as addicting as porsche racing. both have the word death in involved. when death involved............its no place fer cheap!

[charleskieffner]

please note difference btwn both pics of post vanged 870 patterns. see anything?????

due to nature of shotguns, steel/lead pellets/ammo mfg, your aim,the weather. thats the best ya can expect EVER!

both of those 00 buck federal groups cant get any better ever out of a smootbore barrel.

im happy with those groups and it gives me a warm fuzzy at night.

once vang is done bending my mag tubes on the benelli m-2 and the 870, im really hoping we have sub 3" groups at 25yds with federal rifled slugs, and they are consistent shot after shot.

since we have eclipsed ourselves once agin with the shotguns and their accuracy upgrades its time to be moving on to another platform............M-14's!

time to upgrade them, and see what better groups we can do. its all cyclic man...............its all cyclic!

[charleskieffner]

alright! found some pics from the "slug sessions" . please note this was at 25yds, windless morning, not hungover, off the bench.

all shots to left (7oclock) are rem 870 after going to vang first time.

all shots at right( 3 oclock) are unvanged benelli m-2.

all shots either federal 3" magnum rifled slugs or 2 3/4" federal rifled slugs

once i get both snotguns back from vang i will post pattern improvement pics.

[charleskieffner]

those are with ghost ring front sight dead on "X". once i told vang where my slugs were going................he knew exactly what steps to take to improve slug groupings.

m-2 was basically fired 200 times with multiple flavors of bird buck and slugs. so its broken in. thats what you can expect roughly out of box for a high end price tag benelli.

if all my slugs in "9" ring..............i'll be happy and the bears and the badguy zombeez WILL NOT BE HAPPY!

[NineOhOne]

Shiny gun picture...

[slakjaw]

I was at the range on Saturday and I was looking at a CZ 75 That thing fit my hand really nice!

[Bill Douglas]

Thanks Mo. What you have been telling me is what the guys at the pistol club have been telling me too. But... I find it easier to see half the black area over the top of the sight and aim at point of impact. I'm new to this game so I appreciate all advice.

Talking shotgun patterns; when we used to reload we played about with differnt powders and found the ones with the faster burn rate, and bigger bang, gave the worst pattern. At 30 yards we had holes big enough to fly a duck through.

[Superman]

Originally Posted by nostatic

Yeah, I'm still getting the hang of "pointing" rather than "aiming." Very different than shooting a rifle. I'll send another box downrange tomorrow night...

Yup, this has been my experience also. OTOH, I've stopped casually "pointing" the handgun with the hope of hitting the target, ala shotgun-style. I am moving back toward the "aiming" strategy, much like rifle shooting only the handgun is not as stable. In other words, I'm finding that shooting a handgun is more like shooting a rifle than it is like shooting a shotgun. With a handgun, I still use the sights. The challenge has to do with stability.

[targa911S]

Shot this last weekend with my new .22 @ 50 yards. It's a Savage Mk II with bull barrel, Accutrigger, and thumbhole stock. Tack driver.