Digital Camera? Fergit it!
 

So, Cindy studying the book...pull the Mustang out of the garage, all ready to pose so I can post a pic...well, Cindy wasn't sure how this, that, or another thing worked...then the damned thing wasn't charged...

FUGIT! I ran in the house, got my old 35mm point and shoot, and burned a roll. Didn't take long. Of course, I am not in any of the pics, but I at least have a record.

I'll send the film off in the mail to York Photo...in a week or two, I'll have some photos in my hand. This works for me...digital doesn't.

Ron & John...thank mucho for the Olympus you gave us. The thought was nice, but we've already regifted it to a friend of Cindy's

Evren & Ruki? Ditto the Nikon coolpix you sent. I'll never touch the damned thing. They are cursed objects...too small controls for a hand that can pick up a basketball.

So guys, despite the requests...posted pics of me and a Bullitt Mustang will not be coming!

Digital Cameras! :mad: :mad: :mad:

Scan? No scanner here. Put on a disc? Why...in her frustration, Cindy said something that made sense...it's only a Mustang, like every other of the 7,000 Bullitt Mustangs out there. Nothin' special, just a car. A fun driver, but just a car...

June 22, 2009
A Tribute to KODACHROME: A Photography Icon

They say all good things in life come to an end. Today we announced that Kodak will retire KODACHROME Film, concluding its 74-year run.

Yeah, I read that...makes me wonder how long berfore I can't get film for the old point & shoot. I guess when it happens, it happens. If it was up to me, the digital camera would be in the trash. Cindy says she wants to try learning about it. Fine, it's her camera...I'm done with photo taking when film is done.

They are not hard to use at all. The base models are designed to be used by drunk party girls...just point and click. The SLR's take some learning but its mostly old manual adjustments made with a button instead.

You gave away a thoughtful gift because you didn't have 10 minutes to read the instructions?

Here's a quick tutorial:
1. Charge the battery
2. Aim camera
3. Click (use finger, don't put finger in front of lens)
4. Plug camera into computer USB port, click OK
5. View digital pictures
6. Post pictures

...who rarely notice when the batteries are dead. ;)

So PWD, what happens if the battery for your light meter goes? :cool:

Whoa, whoa! I was told there would be no math. You lost me at 1.

Lone Ranger, its camera. Push button. It go click. Stick cable to camera and computer. Computer ask what you want to do. Click 'Lemme see photo'. Lone Ranger, Tonto happy. We go to town, and find painted ladies. Bouncey bouncey.

How are you posting on the interwebs with this?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1245803451.jpg

I guestimate the available light, know the ASA of the film I'm using, and say..."yep, f 11 at 125th shutter speed should do it..."

10 minutes??? The book on these damned things is bigger than the camera...a Travis McGee novel is a faster read. Then there are all those tiny controls for my big hands to try to maneuver. The controls on these things were designed for tiny hands. NOT ergometric at all. Love the controls on my Olympus film
SLR. But that tiny thing? Fergit it!

Yes, the gift was very thoughtful. Cindy's 86 year old friend appreciated it. We still have the coolpix Nikon that Evren & Ruki gave us. Just that Cindy liked it over the olympus...I have no idea why. But, it didn't make sense to either of us to have two cameras about when we didn't really have a use for either of them.

You know that ASA doesn't exist anymore. It was replaced by ISO a long time ago. Does your camera have a hood you put over your head and an accordian lens as well?

Dave :D

btw, Did you know that studio pro's still use those? ..they can do some crazy stuff with an adjustable backplane (where the film is held). Having a focal plane which isn't perpendicular to the line of the shot is one advantage.

Of course they usually scan the resulting print or negative.

I have been using digital now for almost ten years, I don't know all that much but I really like them. I am on my third and they just get better and better. I use Sony but my wife likes high end Cannon. I don't care, I take pictures of cars mostly and I just love them and the simplicity. Plus stick the card into the computer and load the files, send them to Pelican in an instant. Even for someone like me that really knows nothing they are great. I am only semi functional with the computer and about the same with the camera but they make up for my lack with their simplicity.
sorry, one of my favorites, I don't think I could have done it with film, I don't know enough. Plus, to do black and white with film you have to carry two cameras, with one digital you have so many options


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1245813771.jpg

I know, I have an uncle that is still into medium and large format film. Just giving Paul a hard time. :D

I can just imagine the kid behind the counter...

Paul: I'd like a roll of ASA 100 please.
Kid: Uh, we have Kodak, fuji, etc.. No ASA. Never heard of it before.

you are NOT supposed to read the book, Paul!


your photo processor can give you a nice disc with all the pics on it - they may do it automatically these days

Well I guess PWD72s will need to get drunk and then have a sex change operation (maybe he can have that done while he is drunk, just like a sailor tat) before he can use a digital camera.

LOL

I've never read the thick book that comes with a digital camera or cell phone in my life. I just read the *quick guide* that comes with every one of them, (usually one page), and off I go. The detailed instruction book is really more of a reference source where you could look something up if you really need to know.

It's a lot like the owners manual with a car. Most people never, ever even peek at it and the car still gets them around just fine. Point and shoot digital cameras are 100% automatic and about as difficult to use as dental floss. You should really get over your anger with modern technology and let someone show you how to use it. If you can post here, you can use a digital camera. They crush film cameras like a grape for web posting and sending pics around on the internets. :cool:

Well, yes. But then again, film cameras were never made with the internet in mind. ;)

I have a lot of fancy camera gear and have mainly shot digital since the late 90's, but I have to admit there is simplicity and joy in tossing a roll of Tri-X 400 in the F100 (film SLR), slapping on a 35, 50 or 85mm prime and firing away.

No fussing with settings and minimal time at the computer even if you do choose to scan and post-process the negatives, compared to what I typically do with the DSLR raw files.

Here is my latest old-school toy. It does have a meter and aperture-priority mode (electrical shutter) but is otherwise totally manual.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3412/...88fd25620c.jpg

I'll give ya 50 bucks for that obsolete dinosaur.

I agree somewhat. My digital camera takes AA's. Screw the rechargeable special nonsense :)!

Chris, thanks for that image...that's a camera I can understand...which makes me think I should just drag my old Olympus OM-1 out of the closet, slap on it's 50mm lens with a shade hood atop a UV filter, and go take photos. I just cannot wrap my head around a digital camera...it can remain Cindy's toy...but it's pretty obvious she doesn't want to play with it either...

Geez Paul.... Its so ironic you need to bring anti-technology rants to the internet. Don't have a VA hall or barbershop in your town? Lol

Yep, digital cameras are so simple and intuitive that even 86 year old women can figure them out.

Now, what was the purpose of this thread again?

This was just an excuse for Paul to tell us all how big his hands are, and I'm guessing by extension...:D

We know Paul, we know.

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First SLR camera I used had a broken light meter, so I had to learn / estimate the f-stop and shutter speed. And then I had to learn what shutter speeds work best for motion, depth of field, still-life...etc. One of the cameras I had wasn't even an SLR - it was a Cannon Model 7. The 50mm lens on that sucker opened up to f 0.95!! You could literally take pics in the dark with that lens!

I have had a few digital point and shoot cameras and have been able to take some very good pictures with them. (I rotate my pics through my background on my work pc - get lots of complements on the nature pics). But what frustrates me about the point-and-shoot digital compact cameras is that there are very few manual settings available, which stifles the creativity.

I am looking for a new dgital SLR camera - one of the mid-range Nikon/Cannon/Olympus cameras, which allow for more manual control.

-Z-man.

A couple months ago, I bought a Nikon D40 SLR for my g/f. Once I got it home, I was looking it over, and thought "ya know, she's probably not going to use this much (like the guitar and amp I got here for xmas)" so I kept the camera and bought her a set of earrings instead. Good move, 'cause we split 3 weeks later.

A digital SLR looks and works very similar to a film SLR, and if you were to put one in the hands of a luddite (*cough*pwd72s*cough*) they probably wouldn't notice the difference right away.

This is the most ironic thread, ever. Paul, we love ya, but you are going to be pictured in Webster's under 'curmudgeon' in a coming edition.

Assuming of course, they continue to print them.

I suggest we all buy Paul digital cameras and send them to him (and we can even charge the batteries before shipping). Who's in? We should be able to flood his mailbox with about 2 dozen at least....

I don't get it. I used film SLRs for years and always struggled with getting the light correct, shutter speed, etc. and yes, I did RTFM, several times, and and several different ones. Since we got a DSLR, our pictures improved a thousand percent. Not just because we can put it on an automated setting, but also because I can try something and see immediately if it worked or not. I don't have to wait for it to be developed.

I used to keep a log book in my camera case - I'd write down all the settings I was using with each shot so I could study it when they got developed a week or so later. What a ridiculous process. Hell, with digital pics the camera make and model and all settings are embedded in the file.

I'm the last guy to argue for progress for progress's sake, but sometimes the new version is just plain better.

I sure don't miss paying $20 for 36 prints only to have 5 or less keepers. Since going digital the family portrait shots are way better...everyone has their eyes open at the same time ;)

Eh...if the luddite photographer never used a film SLR with a digital display (like me), then it's a bigger step (I mean, the LCD display showing f stop, etc). If they used any film SLR built from, what, 1995 on, the transition to dSLR is probably close to zero pain.

I went from a Pentax K1000 to a Pentax K100D, and it was a bit of a transition.

I do say, I wish we had those lithium batteries back in the day, a pair of those would run a light meter for decades!

Paul didn't really buy a Mustang, this is just a cover-up.;)

Lois is a sweet gal. She sent us a pic of her cat taken with the digital...oh, not by email. She doesn't do that. She goes to her local camera shop where they make prints for her, then she sends them by snail mail. But what the hell, she's in the digital age. :rolleyes:

A good point was made earlier...it's the tiny credit card size with impossible to handle controls that I hate...next time I'm at COSTCO or near a camera store, I might check out the SLR's. They may be more familiar to me. Oh...my film SLR stuff is 70's vintage. The only electronics on them is the built in light meter...nothing "auto" like focus, f stops, shutter speed. I understood film...

Newer cameras - film or digital - are just much smarter than older ones. i.e. they have many different zones in the picture frame that calculate the light level in each zone (multi-metering - began with the Nikon FA IIRC, but now may be 9 or more zones and better algorithms); focus zones, with predictive focus for moving objects, etc.

A new digital camera also has more parameters it can adjust than a film camera.

for a nice landscape or still portrait, use a big view camera or TLR and a handheld spot meter & your own brain

for sports, action, wildlife etc. the digital cams are tops - they can think and adjust faster than you and it costas nothing to burn thru 50 shots and discard 49

hey what camera is that?

i have a leica ranger, and a hassleblad...both are gathering dust. i would sell both and get a new leica digital rangerfinder..but i think i would still need to sell my soul.

isnt tri-x a dead dinosaur?

Thanks John...LOL! Maybe I should take a trip to Oregon's obsidian beds...;)