What Michael Jackson's death did to L.A. traffic last night...

[Geronimo '74]

Originally Posted by afterburn 549

I was using the 500 as in illustration use..........................

Not a problem, sorry for the nitpicking.

[JE928sx4]

Originally Posted by speeder

Not a stretch at all, at least not to anyone who knows the first thing about dance. Believe me, it's unanimous.

What some of you guys are trying to sell is the equivalent of saying that M. Schumacher or Jackie Stewart were not really great drivers if by chance they got caught boning the babysitter. I can't imagine what it's like being a tighty-righty and having to pick artists and entertainers based on some (fake) measure of morality.

I saw him perform a couple songs at the United We Stand concert. I was not impressed. James Brown was much better, Aerosmith ruled the day. It would have been a better show if Chester the molester hadn't shown up.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by varmint

are you insane? is that your problem?

Is it that time of the month? Is that your problem?


Take a deep breath dude and maybe back away from the internets for a day or two. Either that or produce the testimony.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by JE928sx4

I saw him perform a couple songs at the United We Stand concert. I was not impressed. James Brown was much better, Aerosmith ruled the day. It would have been a better show if Chester the molester hadn't shown up.

So what I'm hearing is that you think that Aerosmith was a superior musical entity than MJ? Pretty hard to argue with someone who believes that. This whole discussion is like some idiotic, drunken exchange with strangers at a bar 5 seconds before fists and bottles start flying.

Whatever...

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by Geronimo '74

Not that we know of anyway... Maybe he was a lot worse but never got caught...


As far as I know, MJ was never convicted. (Innocent until proven guilty, at least give him the benefit of the doubt.)
He probably did things that are frowned upon, I agree.
He made a deal with the parents of the allegedly molested kid, true.
The parents accepted the money... Would you, if your kid was molested? I would certainly not.
I am not going to judge him based only on what I've heard/seen in the media.

Oh yeah, being a pedohile is bad, being gay, is not.

I think being bad is as distasteful and repulsive as being a pedophile.

As far as mozart, we are certain he did not cut his face up to look like a circus clown.

[speeder]

Mozart was crazy as a shyt house rat. What one crazy person does compared to another is pointless. This is like an argument in a nut house.

[azasadny]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

All that for a wildly insane, surgically deformed child molester.

What a country.

+1 here!

[Geronimo '74]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

I think being bad is as distasteful and repulsive as being a pedophile.

As far as mozart, we are certain he did not cut his face up to look like a circus clown.

Being bad is distasteful and repulsive???
I hope you don't mean that being gay is distasteful and repulsive. (I am not gay, in case you are wondering)

Having plastic surgery does not make one a pedophile.
(Not having done any plastic surgery, I must admit that this statement is based on hearsay, so please correct me, if am wrong about this...)

[2.70Racer]

The haters and tighty-righty's are once again spewing their worn out venom.
Nothing new.

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by 2.70Racer

The haters and tighty-righty's are once again spewing their worn out venom.
Nothing new.

Thanks for that insightful, well thought-out post. You are a true credit to PPOT. You should write a newspaper column.

[JE928sx4]

Originally Posted by speeder

So what I'm hearing is that you think that Aerosmith was a superior musical entity than MJ? Pretty hard to argue with someone who believes that. This whole discussion is like some idiotic, drunken exchange with strangers at a bar 5 seconds before fists and bottles start flying.

Whatever...

They put on a better show than MJ. James Brown put on a better show than MJ, Train put on a better show than MJ, The Goo Goo Dolls put on a better show than MJ.....hell......Bett Midler put on a better show than MJ. **** happens.

[VINMAN]

I'm with JE on this one.

To me, the best entertainers do'nt need a flashy stage show, or a hundred dancers behind them to make up for their lack of talent. How many of these new so called pop-stars would actually be worth anything without the big production that goes along with them??

[JE928sx4]

Originally Posted by VINMAN

I'm with JE on this one.

To me, the best entertainers do'nt need a flashy stage show, or a hundred dancers behind them to make up for their lack of talent. How many of these new so called pop-stars would actually be worth anything without the big production that goes along with them??

MJ just acted like he was there and everyone should worship him, when the event was to raise $$$$ or the families of the victims of 9/11. It was disgusting really.

[speeder]

If you want to talk about Quincy Jones' genius, we might have some common ground. Popular music is a producer's medium and he is arguably the greatest ever. Still, you have to ask why he wanted to work with MJ at a time when he could work w/ anyone on earth or no one at all. (He don't need the $$ and producing Thriller was a LOT of work). How about Sinatra? He didn't write songs and didn't even dance.

If you had this conversation with any great musical artists, they'd laugh in your face when you tried to minimize MJ's gifts. (Or Elvis's or Sinatra's, which I've heard dumb schits try to do and get laughed at in their faces).

I got my musicology education from the greatest ones on earth, (including conversations w/ QJ), you are all wet.

[pwd72s]

This too shall pass. I hope.

[Sonic dB]

Originally Posted by speeder

If you want to talk about Quincy Jones' genius, we might have some common ground. Popular music is a producer's medium and he is arguably the greatest ever. Still, you have to ask why he wanted to work with MJ at a time when he could work w/ anyone on earth or no one at all. (He don't need the $$ and producing Thriller was a LOT of work). How about Sinatra? He didn't write songs and didn't even dance.

If you had this conversation with any great musical artists, they'd laugh in your face when you tried to minimize MJ's gifts. (Or Elvis's or Sinatra's, which I've heard dumb schits try to do and get laughed at in their faces).

I got my musicology education from the greatest ones on earth, (including conversations w/ QJ), you are all wet.

Wow...you really know your stuff speeder! Must be nice to be such and expert as well as to be soo well connected as you apparently are.

[Sonic dB]

It is funny how history (no pun intended on his tory) is spun Michael's Way in a lot of cases.

Im not denying his talent.... however Quncy Jones had a ton to do with his massive hits.

Biography channel has a program now about Michael...and they claim that Michael came up with the title and concept for "Thriller" and that he "paid for the video with a million dollars of his own money"

but...in reality... Songwriter Rod Temperton was told to change his original title "Starlight Night" in to something better...so he went home, sat up all night brainstorming...and when he woke up after a nap, the word "Thriller" popped in to his head and he knew that was it.

It was Qunicy Jones idea to bring Vincent Price in to do the rap, and Temperton wrote the rap in a taxi on the way to the session. It was also Q that wanted to bring Eddie Van Halen in to do the guitar solo on Beat It... and Eddie blew him off repeated until he finally said yes to do the session....

Regarding financing the Thriller video... Bob Pittman of MTV at the time, is quoted as saying they were approached to pay for the video, but the did not want to get in to the practice of financing videos....so what MTV did was put up the $$ to pay for the "Making of Thriller Video"...the behind the scenes thing...and that money was used to pay for the music video as well.

Michaels talent was massive and can't be denied...but like all the legends, he had a huge team behind him...and much of what he was credited for by the media in actually had a lot to do, if not everything to do with other people's work. Even the moonwalk dance was created by a professional dancer for Michael who perfected it.

Its all right here in this BBC documentary and interview with the creative team:

http://rapidshare.com/files/235945739/r2_making_of_thriller.rar
pass: vstclub.com

This is not unusual as the concept of 'ghost writers' continues today in the world of pop music...where the artist gets credited as a "writer" on tracks they did nothing to little to do with other than the vocal or performance. Its a way to establish 'creditability" for the artist...so people like Katy Perry for example, come off with more weight as a young artist.

Interesting how Michael's creative career was never the same once Q and he stopped working together. It was the creative team, that force...that created that awesome music....and Michael's contributions to it were amazing and he was the instrument to take it and play it to the world.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by Sonic dB

Wow...you really know your stuff speeder! Must be nice to be such and expert as well as to be soo well connected as you apparently are.

I don't know about being "and expert", but I certainly know BS on the PPOT board. MJ was a performer, and one of the greatest ever. A truly great artist.

[varmint]

Originally Posted by 2.70Racer

The haters and tighty-righty's are once again spewing their worn out venom.
Nothing new.

please PLEASE make this a political issue. i would love to tie all the local leftists to an irrational faith in michael jackson's innocence.


he paid twenty plus million to shut up one kid. he died 400 million in debt. figure it out.

[JE928sx4]

Originally Posted by speeder

I don't know about being "and expert", but I certainly know BS on the PPOT board. MJ was a performer, and one of the greatest ever. A truly great artist.

Oh....and James Brown was nothing? Aerosmith some fly by night band? Please.