SPOILER ALERT - Hungarian Grand Prix

legion · 07-26-2009, 12:26 PM

First of all, I hope Massa recovers soon.

Second, can someone clarify the rules on qualifying? Could Ferrari not run a second car or did they choose not to?

Third, McLaren is back!!! Yeah baby!!! Seems with Hami's and Kovi's help, they finally found a setup that works. Hamilton is no development driver, yeah right! It was funny how all of the other drivers were worried about Hamilton pre-race and all their worst fears came true!

Oh, and Alonso's pit crew screwed him. He had a chance until his wheel came off. Just a fraction of a second longer on the wheel gun and he would have been in contention.

Oh Haha · 07-26-2009, 12:29 PM

The race is on FOX right now but I have already been to the website to know the winner. Good job to LH.

Who do you think will replace Massa for the rest of the season? The talk is MS doing it.

bell · bell's Garage

Yea too bad for fernando.....especially for the fact that they are barred from the next race too for that incident.....

legion · 07-26-2009, 01:05 PM

What about Kimi?

Him not winning seemed to be his fault for not having the car in gear in the pits.

Oh Haha · 07-26-2009, 01:07 PM

Kimi?

I think he has lost the fire for F1 but it was good to see him finish a race and on the podium at that.

legion · 07-26-2009, 01:24 PM

The rumor has been Massa/Alonso for Ferrari next year, but this weekend puts it all in doubt.

Kimi has a chance to keep his seat, and I think a second place finish (best so far for Ferrari, right?) is very respectable. It remains to be seen if his sudden resurgence is temporary or not.

Some people accomplish their goals and lose their edge (like Kimi). Some people want to raise the bar (like MS).

Zeke · 07-26-2009, 01:28 PM

AFA the rules, F1 used to allow substitute drivers if they qualified the car, IIRC. I think once the car is in the field, the qualifying driver has to take the green flag. That's been the case in many series, but I know there are little nuances in rulebooks.

legion · 07-26-2009, 02:12 PM

Two more issues:

1) Kimi being investigated by stewards?

Once again, decisions should be made DURING the race and the results should be clear at the end. Kimi should have gotten a drive-through for his NASCAR antics announced within one lap of the incident. I hate it when the stewards monkey with the race results after the fact. In fact, I think there should be a rule that prevents penalties that affect the results of a race after its conclusion. If they can't make a decision before a race is over, the stewards should be limited to fines, demotions of qualifying position on the next race, or removing a car or team from the next race...

Which segues nicely into...

2) Renault being barred from the next race.

I get it. I do. Considering the recent serious injuries in European open-wheeled racing, the FIA has to appear to be doing something, even if they really can't change things this season. I think this penalty is somewhat unfair to Piquet and Alonso as they had NOTHING to do with the problem, but I think this penalty is more about sending a message to other teams that they are responsible for the state of their cars when they are on the race track. It will have the desired effect as teams will be willing to sacrifice time for safety. It's just too bad that two drivers have to suffer for it.

URY914 · URY914's Garage

A backup driver would have to have taken part in the qualifying. As this wasn't the case, no second Ferrari.

legion · 07-26-2009, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by milt

AFA the rules, F1 used to allow substitute drivers if they qualified the car, IIRC. I think once the car is in the field, the qualifying driver has to take the green flag. That's been the case in many series, but I know there are little nuances in rulebooks.

In theory, could Ferrari have sent out another car for Q3 then with a backup driver? (I realize that the rules currently prevent them from having a spare car fully assembled.)

BReif61 · 07-26-2009, 04:20 PM

Could someone explain why Renault is DQ'd from the next race?

Oh Haha · 07-26-2009, 04:25 PM

they did not secure the right front wheel in the pits and it came off. FIA is using them as an example. it was a costly mistake for the team but could have been much worse, like last week at Brands Hatch and Mr. Surtee.

w21055 · w21055's Garage

Quote:

Originally Posted by BReif61

Could someone explain why Renault is DQ'd from the next race?

Because the loss of the tyre.

Now What the real question is is why would renault be suspended but the car that lost the part that nearly killed Massa not??? Up until this weekend the season was not really that interesting to me. Good to see Webber and Vettel doing well now.

w21055 · w21055's Garage

Quote:

Originally Posted by legion

In theory, could Ferrari have sent out another car for Q3 then with a backup driver? (I realize that the rules currently prevent them from having a spare car fully assembled.)

They could have with permission from the FIA, but the word on the street is their back up's are not near up to speed on the F60. Schumi is not coming back his Manager already squashed that.

Oh Haha · 07-26-2009, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by w21055

Because the loss of the tyre.

Now What the real question is is why would renault be suspended but the car that lost the part that nearly killed Massa not??? Up until this weekend the season was not really that interesting to me. Good to see Webber and Vettel doing well now.

I thought one of the Speed guys said brawn was allowed to race as it was shown to be a failure oout of their control. A loose wheel nut is human error.

Can you imagine being the fellow that didn't get that nut on correctly?

DUK · 07-26-2009, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Oh Haha

Can you imagine being the fellow that didn't get that nut on correctly?

Yea, I'll bet he was handing out resumes before he left the track.

cl8ton · 07-26-2009, 04:50 PM

Glad to hear the progress of Massa.

Unfortunately I think he will now loose his racing edge…
Child on the way and he found out he is mortal yesterday

actually it’s sad, I always liked his attitude!

Brawn GP was once but no more, hope you enjoyed your first half of the season

URY914 · URY914's Garage

I think the season is turning out pretty cool. It starts with one team clearly ahead of the others. Then as the season wears on the other teams burn the midnight oil and begin to catch up and pass them. No reason to change the rules or add weight to "equalize" the cars. This shows what real racing is all about. Not a spec series where there in no room for development or innovation.

imcarthur · imcarthur's Garage

A solid win for Hamilton. Nice to see Alonso front running for a while until his crew messed up. Pundits on Fchat think the race suspension was a knee-jerk reaction from the stewards & that the penalty will be reduced on appeal. Of course there are rumblings about Alonso jumping ship & moving to the red vacancy.

Fingers crossed for Massa.

Ian

bell · bell's Garage

Flabio would never let alonzo jump ship.....f1 contracts are a ***** when you're the driver if you want out.....

if MS stepped in to drive for massa for the remaining races it would be a very noble thing to do......and would certainly stir up the rest of the season as kimi's car seemed to be on pace.