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stomachmonkey 08-20-2009 06:57 AM

Plaxico gets 2
 
Better than the 3.5 he could have received.

daepp 08-20-2009 07:19 AM

2 years in prison just for having a pistol in a nightclub? That seems a little harsh don't you think..

Seahawk 08-20-2009 07:34 AM

This link has some excellent data for possession of a fire arm in New York.

http://www.pretrial.org/Docs/Documents/brief11.pdf

The real meat is on page three. If Plax is not a celebrity football player his chances of going to jail are very slim. This is, in my mind, yet another selective prosecution by a DA for political reasons.

Plax is an idiot, but two years?

legion 08-20-2009 07:39 AM

I've got to wonder if the prosecutor is another "Eliot Spitzer" in the making?

flatbutt 08-20-2009 07:47 AM

Not just having the pistol but discharging the weapon in the nightclub.

TechnoViking 08-20-2009 07:48 AM

Seems like the fact that he SHOT HIMSELF should have weighed into the equation. IMO, he learned a valuable lesson about firearms already.

legion 08-20-2009 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flatbutt (Post 4846991)
Not just having the pistol but discharging the weapon in the nightclub.

Forgot about that part. That makes the sentence seem a little more fair.

charleskieffner 08-20-2009 07:59 AM

im dying to know what model pistole he shot himself with????????

if its 1911 configed or any type thereof............HES THE BIGGEST IDIOT ON THE PLANET!

ie. the 1911 design is THE MOST SAFEST PISTOL EVER DESIGNED! with its many safetys.

flatbutt 08-20-2009 08:08 AM

yes charles but when you carry it in the waist band of your sweatpants with the safety off......

Seahawk 08-20-2009 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flatbutt (Post 4846991)
Not just having the pistol but discharging the weapon in the nightclub.

Point well taken and I factored that into my comments above.

The accidental discharge of the weapon, the fact that no one was hurt and the fact that he was not in the commission of a crime mitigates my desire to take two years away from Plax.

Had anyone been hurt, off with his head.

Again, he is a complete idiot, but, in my estimation not a threat to the community...one year would have been plenty.

m21sniper 08-20-2009 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by charleskieffner (Post 4847014)
im dying to know what model pistole he shot himself with????????

if its 1911 configed or any type thereof............HES THE BIGGEST IDIOT ON THE PLANET!

ie. the 1911 design is THE MOST SAFEST PISTOL EVER DESIGNED! with its many safetys.

Glock.

stomachmonkey 08-20-2009 08:33 AM

Part of his initial defense was the recent incidents of violence against NFL players.

Me thinks he has enough money to hire security that is licensed to carry a firearm.

Smells like a case of some dude wanting to be cool and thinking his celebrity gets him a free pass.

charleskieffner 08-20-2009 08:44 AM

note to self........dont carry loaded firearm in nightclub w/safety off.......hmmmm!

if it was a glock...........YIKES! so much for the uber austrian uber safe gun theory!

last week saw my first NO CARRY CCW sign at gallaghers restaraunt in the window.

only one so far that has legally posted sign against CCW since new law signed by GOVERNOR.

on2wheels52 08-20-2009 08:46 AM

"Seems like the fact that he SHOT HIMSELF should have weighed into the equation."

It's not like the bullet was headed for someone else and he threw himself in front of it.
Jim

stomachmonkey 08-20-2009 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by on2wheels52 (Post 4847086)
"Seems like the fact that he SHOT HIMSELF should have weighed into the equation."

It's not like the bullet was headed for someone else and he threw himself in front of it.
Jim

It actually did. The unlicensed combined with the discharge should have got him 3.5 years mandatory.

I'm sure there was some discussion revolving around "dumbass was lucky he ONLY shot himself".

Hugh R 08-20-2009 09:18 AM

Safety off, a chambered round, finger fuking the trigger. Only shot himself is not the point, could have been someone else's head. No sympathy here.

Moses 08-20-2009 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seahawk (Post 4847034)
The accidental discharge of the weapon, the fact that no one was hurt and the fact that he was not in the commission of a crime mitigates my desire to take two years away from Plax.

Had anyone been hurt, off with his head.

Again, he is a complete idiot, but, in my estimation not a threat to the community...one year would have been plenty.

Disagree with your conclusion a bit. If he's not a threat to the community it seems like "probation" could properly be applied without any problems. How does incarceration serve the public?

Seahawk 08-20-2009 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moses (Post 4847163)
Disagree with your conclusion a bit. If he's not a threat to the community it seems like "probation" could properly be applied without any problems. How does incarceration serve the public?

I was thinking more along the lines of a one year suspension from the league, which is punishment enough in my mind.

Our culture has become so celebrity driven that we seem to worship or punish beyond either the talent or the crime.

m21sniper 08-20-2009 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 4847064)
Part of his initial defense was the recent incidents of violence against NFL players.

Me thinks he has enough money to hire security that is licensed to carry a firearm.

Smells like a case of some dude wanting to be cool and thinking his celebrity gets him a free pass.

Or a dude that thinks the 2nd amendment actually fking means something.

If Plax was an Eagle he would be a free man today, but instead he was forced to live in the Gestapo state of NY where his right to self defense outside his home does not exist.

FU NY.

Moses 08-20-2009 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seahawk (Post 4847187)
I was thinking more along the lines of a one year suspension from the league, which is punishment enough in my mind.

Our culture has become so celebrity driven that we seem to worship or punish beyond either the talent or the crime.

Absolutely.

m21sniper 08-20-2009 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by charleskieffner (Post 4847082)
if it was a glock...........YIKES! so much for the uber austrian uber safe gun theory!

Yep, it was a glock. With almost ANY other firearm he would not have discharged that weapon. Almost ANY other firearm.

legion 08-20-2009 09:55 AM

He'd have to pull the trigger on a Glock for it to discharge, unless he modified it to remove the three safeties.

flatbutt 08-20-2009 10:04 AM

I would be surprised if he actually serves the two years. Likely he'll be out in less than 12months with good behavior.

m21sniper 08-20-2009 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by legion (Post 4847243)
He'd have to pull the trigger on a Glock for it to discharge, unless he modified it to remove the three safeties.

Let's not kid ourselves, Glocks have no safeties that matter.

The gun started to fall down the leg of his sweatpants and he grabbed the shape of it through his pants, causing an AD.

Virtually no other firearm on earth would have discharged. And then there's Glocks. I view them to be "unsafe at any speed."

rammstein 08-20-2009 11:52 AM

I'm all for freedom to carry firearms, but I'm also all for punishing those who infringe on others people's right to live.

He should be thanking god that he's only facing 2 years in prison, instead of a life of guilt from maiming or killing somebody.

Someday I will get a Concealed Weapon permit. When I do, I fully expect to be prosecuted and thrown in jail if I accidentally fire my pistol in a bar. Seriously, that is just stupid. I mean, a lot of you guys have concealed weapons permits. How many of you have accidentally fired your pistol in public?

stomachmonkey 08-20-2009 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rammstein (Post 4847497)
.....I mean, a lot of you guys have concealed weapons permits. How many of you have accidentally fired your pistol in public?

Most of our CC guys here would never even take a gun into a bar, especially if they were gonna have a drink.

With your "rights" comes responsibility, which Plaxico obviously did not understand.

pwd72s 08-20-2009 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 4847513)
Most of our CC guys here would never even take a gun into a bar, especially if they were gonna have a drink.

With your "rights" comes responsibility, which Plaxico obviously did not understand.

HUGE plus one!

RPKESQ 08-20-2009 12:31 PM

Glocks were designed for intelligent end users. That explains so very much.

legion 08-20-2009 12:52 PM

This is what I have, should I ever get CCW:

http://www.clipdraw.com/store/index.php?rn=396&action=show_detail

http://www.clipdraw.com/images/saf-t-blok/stb20left.jpg

tooms351 08-20-2009 02:20 PM

I didn't see it mentioned that knucklehead Burris turned down a 90 day deal, imo he had to be pretty full of him self to turn that down. I also doubt he'll ever play again!

charleskieffner 08-20-2009 02:27 PM

maybe mr vick will send him to a firearms safety class and buy him a dawg upon leaving prison????

mikey vicks an eagle run and grab yer beagle!

stomachmonkey 08-20-2009 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tooms351 (Post 4847790)
I didn't see it mentioned that knucklehead Burris turned down a 90 day deal, imo he had to be pretty full of him self to turn that down. I also doubt he'll ever play again!

If he was offered 90 and turned it down either he and/or his attorneys are morons.

jyl 08-20-2009 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 4847215)
Yep, it was a glock. With almost ANY other firearm he would not have discharged that weapon. Almost ANY other firearm.

Apparently Glocks are not weapons for idiots.

on2wheels52 08-20-2009 03:20 PM

"With almost ANY other firearm he would not have discharged that weapon."

The S&W Sigma's and Ruger SR9's come to mind.
Jim

jyl 08-20-2009 03:30 PM

Also most S&W M&Ps, Kahr PM9 and variants, Ruger LCP and similar pocket pistols, almost all DA revolvers, etc.

on2wheels52 08-20-2009 05:18 PM

Have to disagree with you John re 'Kahr PM9 and variants, Ruger LCP and similar pocket pistols, almost all DA revolvers', considerably heavier trigger pulls on those models.
Jim

m21sniper 08-20-2009 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jyl (Post 4847843)
Apparently Glocks are not weapons for idiots.

He's an idiot for choosing a short stroke single action pistol with no safety and then wearing it in his waistband. Any of a gillion other guns would NOT have discharged there.

m21sniper 08-20-2009 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jyl (Post 4847919)
Also most S&W M&Ps, Kahr PM9 and variants, Ruger LCP and similar pocket pistols, almost all DA revolvers, etc.

Those all have long, heavy double action pulls.

Glock alone has a short single action length pull with no safety. If Plax had been carrying a Kahr nothing would have happened at all. Same for any other DAO pistol or revolver of any make or model.

This is an accident that could almost exclusively ONLY happen with a Glock.

Shuie 08-20-2009 06:47 PM

The safety is between your ears. There is a good amount of take up in a Glock trigger. It's really not a short first pull. Short reset, but not a short pull. Unless it had been lightened, he had to pull it pretty good to make it go bang. Not that there is any argument for carrying in the waistband while in a bar. It's still not cool to do something like this with a revolver or a Kahr.

m21sniper 08-20-2009 06:52 PM

It is IMO a really short pull, there is by no means a "good amount of take up."

No way he shoots himself with -any- other modern pistol. None.


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